This game is an expensive coaster

Vger · #1 May 25th, 2001, 12:45 AM

Hello,

It seems obvious that this person is a troll, since his only defense is to reiterate his original points. I've been playing computer games since the days of CPM and I've only seen a few other cases of such intense aftermarket support (Gary Grigsby comes to mind).

If he only plays what the developer puts out there, then he's likely missed a great deal of good gaming over time. How many good Doom, Half-Life and other mods he must have missed.

I don't have the game yet, but have enjoyed the demo a lot and look forward to the challenge of the modded AIs. (My copy of SE IV should arrive Sat. or early next week.)

I have already downloaded every mod I can find and look forward to tinkering myself.

No, the AI in the demo is not a challenge. Perhaps that's what he is playing and that could also be why he gives no hard evidence (such as saves where he is beating the Rage) that he is the ubermench he proclaims himself to be.

Rather, he seems to be out to sow hate and discontent and tick fans of SE IV off. I don't belive I shall ever fathom this mindset.

A view from the sidelines,
V'ger gone

Dracus · #2 May 25th, 2001, 01:04 AM

While I am personally not a beta tester (did not get signed up in time). I would like to say this.
MM has been very open with this game. I have reported the WinMe P4 issues to him and He as responded asking for details and files. I have yet to hear from any other game company were there are bugs or issues with their games running on my system. Nor have I seen any other gaming company ask for my input on something and then either tell me it will be in the next patch or that the game can not handle that sort of change.
MM has done this (as you can see on their web site.) And if you check the patch history They have add some changes that Modders here wrote. (check the formation file for example)

I too like the way I can change things and enjoy knowing others enjoy my changes. As I enjoy what others have add to the game also.

I have yet to find another game out there that allows me to add to it nor have I found a forum with such a group of people in the same mind set.

I Have changed the AI attack rates to were they will attack nearly every turn and even the standard AI that come with ver1.35 has improved to the point were they are using a lot more mine sweepers and attacking my other system more And with the Mod pack add ons. I have lost whole systems to single fleets attacking one planet after the other.

The game I have going now, The AI's have attacked so much that I can not keep up with rebuilding my ships.

I may actually lose this one.

P.S. MM and Sarge (Richard) I for one thank you for your support, the use of this forum and for the group that this game has drawn to it.

jc173 · #3 May 25th, 2001, 01:27 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Kagetora:
The AI is still the equivelant of beating up a baby and stealing it's juice. I am sick of people saying this company has such good customer support. They are still in the middle of a 3 year creation run which seems to be petering out 8 months after they sold this coaster. This is a mass produced fraud, not a game company.

Ok two things:
The AI, I've done some professional work on computer games before and AI is really difficult. In my opinion, the AI does have its problems, but I think there's a reason for that. The game was designed to be open ended for modification and improvement so a lot of the AI algorithms probably had to be generalized, because almost anything can be changed. It's a lot easier to design an AI which only has to deal with a specific set of situations and moves so to speak. However, the AI has greatly improved in even just the few months since I bought this game in February. As for the customer service, I'm not sure what you're gripe is. How many companies continually release upgrades and patches that incorporate user suggested changes and improvements or make allowances for Users to do so? Personally I know of very few companies that have given me responses so quickly when I sent in email. As for your second post, this is an honest question not sarcastic, but are you so sure that the modders and solo players are in the minority and that people who want TCP/IP play are in the majority? I mean seriously how do you know?

Puke · #4 May 25th, 2001, 02:26 AM

I want to know what games Kagetora has been playing that "measure up," because I have been missing out if they are that much better than the se4 AI. while this game is not the best AI ever, it certainly measures up fairly well in the latest Version - and I have not played a game yet where the AI could challenge a human without using numerical superiority or cheating.

SSI games were good, but they were not THAT good. Imperialism 1 was a fine product in my opinion, how does that one rate on the Kagetora scale, so I have some point of reference?

me3000 · #5 May 25th, 2001, 02:32 AM

is what i read correct? this is entirely the work of one man? holy cow; the amount of blood and sweat that went into this program is unbelievable. this is far better than any other 4x program i have ever played, back to the old days of the origional reach for the stars. this is truely an epic achievement. to whine that you dont like it - after using the demo - is rather crass. if you knew from the demo that you didnt like it, why be so silly as to buy the full game?

Possum · #6 May 25th, 2001, 02:35 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Kadste:
Kagetora,
You seem like a person that likes to play real time strategy games and first person shoot-em up games. SEIV is not a real time strategy game, nor is it a shoot-em up game. It is turn based.

Guys -

I've noticed that it seems to be popular in here to denigrate those who choose to play FPS or RTS games. I really feel this is somewhat unfair.

Those who play what Kadste calls "shoot-em up games" are not idiots, not are they attacking us or giving us any grief. Why are folks here basing on them like this?

Kagetora is ONE idiot causing problems. Let's not condemn whole sectors of the gaming community on the basis of that, eh?

I have played Team Fortress for 2 and a half years now, through its original Quake1 Version, through the Half-LIfe Version, and now in the Quake3 Version. It has challenges all its own, and offers a team-play experience that no turn-based game ever can.

You may prefer oranges, but that doesn't mean those who prefer apples or bananas are bad people, or less intelligent than you.

And some of us enjoy a variety of fruits, eh?

AJC · #7 May 25th, 2001, 03:41 AM

I say this guy is just looking for flame bait and gets off on the reactions... a lurker with nothing better to do.

IMO extreme opinions like this one, that are obviously full of holes are not worth responding to, if it was true the game wouldnt be as popular as it has been.

Aaron has done and outstanding job - from the beta testers to the buying public we have all been working with MM.
Its like we have all had our own private programmer creating the 4x space game us old time gamers have all wanted since first cracking open Starfire in 1977.