This game is an expensive coaster

Resident Alien · #1 May 26th, 2001, 02:56 PM

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Originally posted by Kagetora:
Him and Richard got in a big fight on another board and he got pissed off enough to call an attorney. I am already being accused of being him when I am not so I don't really care to defend or even talk about what he is doing.

However, it's not the 40 bucks that matters. According to him they are considering a class action suit which would return anybodies money who choose to join the suit. Including any of you. He would also recoup all attorney's fees and even his expenses if he wins the case. Many attorney's will take such cases without pay and take pay upon winning.

I saw the discussion on CGO forum and it was "handbags at 20 paces" stuff - petty, nitpicking and irritating to anybody with a shred of common sense. Oh, and in fact just like this thread (except for my Posts of course

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This is what I expect from 5 year old children. And this "threat" is just more of the same BS, "Bwaaah, I'm not getting my way" so I'm going smash the game board over.

Alpha Kodiak · #2 May 26th, 2001, 03:31 PM

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Originally posted by Kagetora:
Which mod is the best one and where can I download it?

Without getting involved in the argument, I will give input here. Start by patching to Version 1.35 if you haven't already, then get the TDM Modpack Version 1.72 from the Scenario/Mod forum Space Empires: IV - AI Races/Ship Sets thread. There are other great mods, but this one is a good starting point as it does not change the technology in the game and can therefore be used with several other mods. It does improve the AI scripting and it adds several excellent races.

LeTharg · #3 May 26th, 2001, 03:41 PM

I remember an article in one of the gaming magazines in which a columnist said that the constant bickering over trivia was killing the niche strategy market. Now I'm new to the turn-based strategy world; SEIV is my first such game so I don't know how it is with other games. But I can see that the profits from niche games must be tiny (and are much more likely to be losses). If we want these games to prosper or even to exist we need to be supportive and understanding. For the most part, this is a very supportive and understanding community.

Law suits are very expensive in time, money and mental energy. A law suit could easily cause a game to cease to exist. I really would like the SE series to continue because I'm having so much fun playing PBEM.

I think we all want the same thing: gaming goodness and fun. I also think some of us have chosen tactics that are detrimental to that end. Unless the game being played is not computer based...

Kagetora · #4 May 26th, 2001, 04:33 PM

SO GO PLAY WITH YOUR HUMAN FRIENDS ALREADY!<<<<

Look I understand okay? You all are arguing with BS logic. If I order a gun from a company and they send me a hammer instead. You can't tell me I shouldn't be pissed because I can still defend myself with a hammer. It's not the same thing.

Kagetora · #5 May 26th, 2001, 04:46 PM

I remember an article in one of the gaming magazines in which a columnist said that the constant bickering over trivia was killing the niche strategy market.<<<<

I understand where you are coming from. But, if I hire a contractor to remodel my kitchen and I pay him up front and he doesn't put any hardware on any of the drawers or cabinets, that is trivia to you because it isn't your kitchen. However, if it was your kitchen you would feel no remorse about sueing the person to get him to finish the job, nor would you worry you might put a contractor out of business either. Just because these people make something that is entertainment and we like doesn't mean they shouldn't be held to certain standards of ethics. They get away with exaggerating and outright lying about their products far too much already and I am not just talking about this company or game in particular. How many games do you buy that you are really satisfied with? That do exactly what they say or that have adequate AI? Very very few. You can't misrepresent your product and then sell it, that is fraud. There is absolutely no difference legally between them saying something on this site, in an email, in the newletter or advertising it on the game box or a tv commercial. That is a verbal contract that must be abided by.

Resident Alien · #6 May 26th, 2001, 04:58 PM

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Originally posted by Kagetora:
SO GO PLAY WITH YOUR HUMAN FRIENDS ALREADY!<<<<

Look I understand okay? You all are arguing with BS logic. If I order a gun from a company and they send me a hammer instead. You can't tell me I shouldn't be pissed because I can still defend myself with a hammer. It's not the same thing.

If you ordered a gun and got a hammer you would indeed have a good case. If you order a computer game and get a computer game.... The comparison doesn't fly.

You bought the game based on the fact that it might get TCP/IP sometime in the future, it hasn't yet but it might one day so you are SOL for the moment. You can be patient and wait, or forget the whole thing, sell the game on e-bay, take Shrapnel offered game, if you push it enough maybe get your money back etc. Not un-reasonable options.

How many hours have you played SE4? I don't believe you didn't enjoy playing at least one game vs the AI at the start. If you didn't care, you wouldn't be posting. I guess you received some value for that original $40 - $10 or $20 at least.

Personally I could spend $40 on sushi and beer in an hour. TCP/IP or not I think I have recieved a reasonable return on my original investment of $40 over the Last 9 months or so. I played SE3, SE4 and hope to play SE5 in future. $40 every couple of years seems a very reasonable investment to me.

[This message has been edited by Resident Alien (edited 26 May 2001).]

ps. The kitchen analogy is also an over the top and exagerated comparison.

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geoschmo · #7 May 26th, 2001, 05:01 PM

Your analogy is flawed, K. (And that's not a personal attack, simply a debating terminology here) You got the gun that was advertised. The package was clearly labeled that the gun did not include a telescopic sight at this time, but that they might in the future. And you have decided to read this as a promise when no promise was ever stated, only a possiblity.

However, it is good to see you express the thought that you might try some of the mods in the future. I think this will greatly improve your enjoyment of the game.

Also if you would like to check out http://seiv.pbw.cc I would be happy to oblige you with a game against real live humans. It's not as fast as TCP/IP I guess, but I have a game there that is up to turn 45 in three weeks. At this rate we should be well past 100 turns in 6 months.

Geo