New Map: Faerun - The Forgotten Realms

[Cainehill]

Originally posted by Norfleet:

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Originally posted by Cainehill:
(And actually, to be able to have a small displayed icon for the central point of all provinces would be great too, and not just for this map - Urgaea, among others, has some provinces that are difficult to click on because of irregular shapes.)

I somehow don't think that Dominions has any concept of a province's "shape". As far as Dominions is concerned, the province you're clicking on is the white dot that's closest to where you've clicked.

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Exactly why an icon showing the nominal white dot should be available - because from the player's view of a map that has borders displayed, finding the invisible white dot for a province can be an exercise in frustration.

This is especially true with respect to flying units, because you can't even readily follow the neighbors filter then. Small provinces (as many are on this map) excerbarate the issue, which certainly isn't a fault of the map.

[Edi]

On the white pixels on this map: I've marked them all into the targa file with a four-point star shape, i.e. the province pixels are surrounded above, below and on both sides by pixels that are significantly darker than the surrounding ones if the background is light. In forest and many mountain provinces this was not necessary as the surrounding pixels were so dark that the white pixel stood out on its own. Just so everyone who has a mind to modify the map knows.


In other news, the first bug found on this map after upload was a neighbor problem that I discovered today while using it for test purposes on another project of mine.

The provinces 119 and 144 should be neighbors, but apparently when I changed the name of province 119 at one point in the editing process (I remember doing it), it nixed the neighbor connection.

No use updating the map file on the server yet, so just add the line

#neighbor 119 144

into the section where neighbors are assigned to fix it.

Post any other bugs you find in the map file in this thread and I'll fix them as they crop up. After we've got a few, we can update it to Gandalf's server.

I'll get to work on the smaller (as in fewer provinces) Faerun map next week, so the fans of smaller maps can also get a Version more to their liking.

Edi

[Gandalf Parker]

Originally posted by Edi:
I'll get to work on the smaller (as in fewer provinces) Faerun map next week, so the fans of smaller maps can also get a Version more to their liking.

Isnt this map the full view of 6 maps together? In keeping with the theme maybe you could do the 6 as seperates? I think one is all land and one is almost all water but there is a niche I think for maps like that.

[ May 23, 2004, 20:50: Message edited by: Gandalf Parker ]

[NTJedi]

I found a bug where if C'Tis starts with more then one province he could start with an extra fort and magic sites. Apparently the starting location of C'Tis is right next to one of those big powerful provinces.

As a result this prevents human players from playing C'Tis in a multiplayer game where players have more then one starting province because the game could be seriously unbalanced.

[ May 23, 2004, 21:52: Message edited by: NTJedi ]

[Cainehill]

Originally posted by NTJedi:
I found a bug where if C'Tis starts with more then one province he could start with an extra fort and magic sites. Apparently the starting location of C'Tis is right next to one of those big powerful provinces.

As a result this prevents human players from playing C'Tis in a multiplayer game where players have more then one starting province because the game could be seriously unbalanced.

Heh. This is a double flaw, I think. On the one paw, starting with multiple provinces may give C'tis one (or even two) extra castles with gem income.

But on the other paw - with a single starting province, 2 of C'tis's four neighbors are special Uber Provinces. With even a slight amount of bad luck on the other two (knights and crossbows, say, or one of the tougher amazon tribes), C'tis can have a pretty rough start with nowhere to expand.

Edit : And actually, C'tis isn't the only one that can start with multiple fortresses if it starts with more than 1 province. Pangaea has Hellgate Keep for a neighbor and can start with it; others may as well. Possibly the "solution" is to play with only 1 start province per nation, although C'Tis having 2 uber-neighbors out of 4 still seems to beg correction.

[ May 24, 2004, 02:53: Message edited by: Cainehill ]

[Edi]

The several starting provinces thing is, I think, not a map bug, but a game bug. I've noticed that no matter how many #nostart X lines you have for provinces, it will not prevent the game from assigning those provinces to a nation at the beginning if more than one starting province is specified, and I find this really annoying.

I don't think C'tis starting next to two special provinces is that much of a problem as such, as one of those was a sea province and I just don't see the lizards expanding into the water that quickly.


Gandalf, no use doing the separate maps, those would be too limited. Easier to just wipe the province pixels from the big one and then put them in again but making larger geographical regions (such as the whole of High Forest etc) into a single province, that will radically cut down on the number of provinces and still give a better map, I would think. Making maps of the single sections would be good for maps with limited number of nations, but I'm not going to start editing them separately. The targa files need a lot of work and hunting down the stray white pixels is a bloody pain in the arse, so I'll pass, thanks.

Edi

[Unknown_Enemy]

Guys,

Why isn't there a sticky thread about maps ?

EDIT : and I forgot to say Thanks for the Forgotten Realms map. Nice job.

[ May 24, 2004, 14:19: Message edited by: Unknown_Enemy ]