2 very strong nations for free

[Mardagg]

Gandalf you are right...in one way.

But as both games are extremely difficult and time consuming,I strongly fear that newbies would quit after a while,just going AI or dont playing anymore.
I have developed alliances and lots of treaties in both games and this would destroy the game for all others.
Both nations are really strong "weapons" and as such have great influence on the game.
Anyone not experienced in blood magic and building lots of strong SC`s(I have all Arch Devils,Demon Lords and some Heliophages ,as well as others) will have great difficulties in playing Abysia there.
And concerning Atlantis...well there will be a final war soon with experienced players.
I have an extremely huge nation there,spread all around the map...not perfectly fitting for a newbie to gather first experiences in final wars and maybe loosing dozens of provinces every turn.
The hardest way to learn it I would say...this wouldnt be the thing I would have wanted as a newbie