Vanheim Pretenders: Allfather and Asynya

Norfleet · #1 June 2nd, 2004, 04:14 AM

Well, I don't think I've ever seen anyone pick one. To be honest, it doesn't seem to fill any new niche: It's an air-2 semi-SC, with relatively poor path flexibility when compared to Odin. If you're trying to build an SC, Odin can actually be built more cheaply due to his less expensive paths, despite his base cost. Odin's host of innate abilities also tilts the scale in his favor. If she shared the Allfather's Glamour ability, she'd be a contender for the same role, only on foot instead of mounted, and thus retaining a feet slot, but she doesn't have this - even then, without flying, the feet slot would wind up being used for that, and she isn't as immune to armor encumberance as the Allfather, due to not being mounted.

Obviously, therefore, Odin outclasses the Asynja in the SC department.

As a blessing or high-air chassis, on the other hand, we compare the Asynja to the Titan, which is also available, for 125 points. A quick review of the numbers, however, reveals that the Titan can actually provide the Air-9 blessing at LOWER cost than the Asynja. Both are capable of combat, although in this configuration, neither is really a tweaked super-SC. The Titan also has the benefit of being lightning-immune, which is a fairly nice bonus for an SC, as lightning is really quite painful, and the Titan can indiscriminately fling shockwaves and commit acts of Wrathing without worrying about electrocuting himself.

So, given that the Asynja appears to be caught between the Allfather and the Titan, and is outclassed at both roles, with the Titan being roughly equal in combat, what's the selling point? She doesn't seem to fill any real niche.

Cheezeninja · #2 June 2nd, 2004, 05:23 AM

Shes dead sexy.

Cohen · #3 June 2nd, 2004, 06:47 AM

Perhaps Tujdy has missed some others my Posts where I said that VQ should have his new path cost to 70 points about ... and should have even some more nerf. However it seems Devs have already take care of the vamp on the next patch.

If I propose something, isn't for advantage myself, but for game balance in general.
Full stop.

PvK · #4 June 2nd, 2004, 07:40 AM

Hmm, I'd not always give my SC winged shoes. More like boots of quickness, which will widen even farther her skill advantages. I expect the way to make her potent is to get her fighting skills quite high.

PvK

Tuidjy · #5 June 2nd, 2004, 05:43 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Cohen:
Perhaps Tujdy has missed some others my Posts where I said that VQ should have his new path cost to 70 points about ... and should have even some more nerf. However it seems Devs have already take care of the vamp on the next patch.

If I propose something, isn't for advantage myself, but for game balance in general.
Full stop.

Cohen, the Tuidjy misses little. This is exactly
my point. You had a bad experience with the VQ,
and you called for a nerf. Now you are having a
bad day with a non-nerfed VQ against the
Allfather, and you are calling for another nerf.
This is a slippery slope.

I was against nerfing the VQ. Not because it was
not too cheap for its power, but because the land
at the end of the nerf road is a desolate one.

Yes, the Allfather is one of the best pretenders.
He is also one of the most expensive. He has one
major weakness. He is missing an eye, and Vanheim
has a horrible time fixing that. GoH, chalice,
etc... are very hard for Vanheim to get without
help. Heartbinding an arco priestess is the only
way I have managed it.

And of course, if you are unlucky enough to lose
the other eye, and it happens, you are left with
an extremely expensive, totally useless gimp.

I do not think the Vampire Queen was that much
out of balance. I do not think that the
Allfather is out of balance at all. I think that
ninety percent of those whining for nerfs are
people who cannot accept that the reason for
their losses is their lack of skill.

I _know_ that nerfing the Allfather will, sooner
or later end up in a whine for the nerfing of
the Ghost King, Nataraja, or Carrior Dragon.
Hell, I like the Naga and the Prince of Death
a lot, so they may come under the knife as well.

We are playing a game about Gods and Heroes.
If you want to play a game about national troops
duking it out, I will probably love to join.
But stop trying to impose your vision of what the
game should be on the rest of us.

House rules suck, but this game is great enough to
survive them. No game can survive a nerffest.

Teraswaerto · #6 June 2nd, 2004, 06:13 PM

Asynja should cost less. No more than 50, in line with other giant humanoids like Son of the Son, Daughter of the Land, etc. Of course, they are probably too expensive too...

[ June 02, 2004, 17:14: Message edited by: Teraswaerto ]

Graeme Dice · #7 June 2nd, 2004, 06:19 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Teraswaerto:
Asynja should cost less. No more than 50, in line with other giant humanoids like Son of the Son, Daughter of the Land, etc. Of course, they are probably too expensive too...

The daughter of the land is probably exactly the right cost, since she also generates two water gems per turn. The other 50 point pretenders are probably a little overprices, but this mostly comes from having to bump them up to 6 or 7 astral, or from their tendency to rout thanks to their bodyguards.