Vanheim Pretenders: Allfather and Asynya

[Tuidjy]

Originally posted by Cohen:
Perhaps Tujdy has missed some others my Posts where I said that VQ should have his new path cost to 70 points about ... and should have even some more nerf. However it seems Devs have already take care of the vamp on the next patch.

If I propose something, isn't for advantage myself, but for game balance in general.
Full stop.

Cohen, the Tuidjy misses little. This is exactly
my point. You had a bad experience with the VQ,
and you called for a nerf. Now you are having a
bad day with a non-nerfed VQ against the
Allfather, and you are calling for another nerf.
This is a slippery slope.

I was against nerfing the VQ. Not because it was
not too cheap for its power, but because the land
at the end of the nerf road is a desolate one.

Yes, the Allfather is one of the best pretenders.
He is also one of the most expensive. He has one
major weakness. He is missing an eye, and Vanheim
has a horrible time fixing that. GoH, chalice,
etc... are very hard for Vanheim to get without
help. Heartbinding an arco priestess is the only
way I have managed it.

And of course, if you are unlucky enough to lose
the other eye, and it happens, you are left with
an extremely expensive, totally useless gimp.

I do not think the Vampire Queen was that much
out of balance. I do not think that the
Allfather is out of balance at all. I think that
ninety percent of those whining for nerfs are
people who cannot accept that the reason for
their losses is their lack of skill.

I _know_ that nerfing the Allfather will, sooner
or later end up in a whine for the nerfing of
the Ghost King, Nataraja, or Carrior Dragon.
Hell, I like the Naga and the Prince of Death
a lot, so they may come under the knife as well.

We are playing a game about Gods and Heroes.
If you want to play a game about national troops
duking it out, I will probably love to join.
But stop trying to impose your vision of what the
game should be on the rest of us.

House rules suck, but this game is great enough to
survive them. No game can survive a nerffest.

[Teraswaerto]

Asynja should cost less. No more than 50, in line with other giant humanoids like Son of the Son, Daughter of the Land, etc. Of course, they are probably too expensive too...

[ June 02, 2004, 17:14: Message edited by: Teraswaerto ]

[Graeme Dice]

Originally posted by Teraswaerto:
Asynja should cost less. No more than 50, in line with other giant humanoids like Son of the Son, Daughter of the Land, etc. Of course, they are probably too expensive too...

The daughter of the land is probably exactly the right cost, since she also generates two water gems per turn. The other 50 point pretenders are probably a little overprices, but this mostly comes from having to bump them up to 6 or 7 astral, or from their tendency to rout thanks to their bodyguards.

[Reverend Zombie]

Tuidjy,

Your post has given me a chance to test both my new avatar and the formatting in my signature.

Thanks!

[JJ_Colorado]

Tuidjy - it seems that you are repeatedly criticizing the "call for nerfing the Allfather" (not an exact quote, but a general summing up btw). However, no one that I've seen on this thread is even talking about nerfing the Allfather other than you. This thread started as a thought-provoking question regarding the Asynja (sp?) vs the Allfather and has never gone in the direction of nerfing the Allfather - yet you keep arguing against nerfing the Allfather - who are you arguing against?

John

P.S. In reply to the initial post that suggested choosing Asynja over Allfather you posted this completely over-dramatic reply to a non-existent call for nerfing:
"RIGHT! Allfather is too strong! He is beating
up my poor Vampire Queen in her own domain, so
he is OBVIOUSLY too strong. NERF THE BASTARD!

NERF! NERF! NERF!!!!!

WHAAAAAAHHHHH"

[PvK]

Sounds like maybe he's been traumatized (or at least, made sick with sarcasm) by all the many various Posts about "X needs nerf and Y is useless".

PvK

[Tuidjy]

Ok, so you think I am paranoid. Let see what
makes me think that Cohen is, indeed, calling
for a nerf.

1. From his signature: 'The enemy of the SC and
all the overpowered and unbalanced things.'

Self-proclaimed paladin with a mission.

2. From his first post: 'Well, I believe that for
125 points, he is very cheap.'

He is not discussing improving Anysya, is he?

3. From his follow-up post: 'If I propose
something, isn't for advantage myself, but for
game balance in general'

If he were trying to make Anysya viable, it
would be enhancing the game, not balancing it.

4. Instead of denying that he was calling for a
nerf, he goes: 'VQ should have his new path
cost to 70 points about ... and should have even
some more nerf.'

For those living under a rock, here is a proof
that he believes in nerfing. And by the way,
anyone would believes that the VQ needs 70 point
paths and 'some more nerf', would not know
restraint if it bit him on the nose.

5. And of course, there is Cohen's age long
habit of calling for changes that will make
Dominion II fit his ideas of 'how it should be'

It seems to me that Cohen's behavior follows
this pattern:
1. Badly lose to a tactic
2. Call for a nerf while using the tactic
3. Badly lose to something else

For example, Cohen was one of the biggest
proponents of a VQ-nerf (and proud of it) His
pretender of choice, during the outcry, was
Anya, the Vampire Queen. Poor Anya was getting
killed on average, hmm, about once per turn
on Pascentia, by, you guessed it, the Allfather.

By the by, he was mad castling as well. So I
think that he will call for a nerf to Vans and
archers, now that he's lost 4-5 castles to them.

So when I see him kindly concerned about poor
Anysya's popularity, I think I see where this
is going.

Hey, Norfleet may have a patent on paranoia, but
I've obtained a license.