Mystery commander deaths after battle - bug?

[LintMan]

Originally posted by Graeme Dice:
Are you using Version 2.08 or earlier? if so, there is a battle replay bug that shows up when the host and clients are on different operating systems.

Oops, I meant to mention that I'm in 2.11. I remember hearing about the bug you mention, and it does sound like my problem is similar, but I'm in single player. (under Windows XP)

[Norfleet]

Did you JUST patch? All battle replays on the turn you patched from 2.08 to 2.11 are incompatible on Windows boxen, because the behavior that was made default is the unix behavior.

Otherwise, maybe somebody died in the "bad VCR"? Do you have any idea which commander was killed in the Earth Attack that is unviewable? Or perhaps a commander retreated while affected by Bleed, Decay, Bane Blades, or Banefire, and the effect took hold after he left?

[LintMan]

Originally posted by Norfleet:
Did you JUST patch? All battle replays on the turn you patched from 2.08 to 2.11 are incompatible on Windows boxen, because the behavior that was made default is the unix behavior.

Nope, I patched back when 2.11 came out, and this game was started post-patching.

Otherwise, maybe somebody died in the "bad VCR"? Do you have any idea which commander was killed in the Earth Attack that is unviewable?

It was my mage that cast the Earth Attack on an enemy, in a province nowhere near the problem battle. I don't know if any enemy was killed by it or not.

Or perhaps a commander retreated while affected by Bleed, Decay, Bane Blades, or Banefire, and the effect took hold after he left?

The battle was with Marignon, and its army had none of those attack abilities. (The Grand Master was FFFSSN). And except for the hapless doomed strategos and the dead pd hoplite commander, my other 5 commanders were alive and unrouted at the end of battle. Watching the battle, the 4 mages/priests were never targeted by any spells, missiles or melee attacks. I paused the battle a second before it ended and checked everyone's status, and no one had any ill effects or damage. (Well, the soulless commander had slight damage, but nothing serious or ongoing)

Checking the replay again, I recounted the surviving hc's and hoplites, and the number shown to survive doesn't match the number of actual units remaining. So it really does seem that I'm watching one variant of the battle, while the game reflects a different possible variant.

[Norfleet]

Welp. You got me. I'm baffled. This sounds like one of those flukey, intermittent bugs that's a real pain in the *** to track down. Glad that's not MY problem.

[ June 06, 2004, 08:51: Message edited by: Norfleet ]

[atul]

I just had an experience like this one, although not as severe. In 2-player MP my latest turn shows a battle, according to the battle report I lose only one normal unit but replay shows how one of my Behemoths bites the dust along with several normal units. The Behemoth however is still alive.

The spells cast are mostly buffs (my mages) and Sulphur Haze & Fire Darts (offending suicidal Phoenix). I wanted to wait for further info from my opponent/host's PoV before reporting anything based on partial information, but then noted this thread.

Dunno whether my battle has anything in common with LintMan's, except that (maybe) poison was used in both? At least some units in LintMan's battle were cabable of inflicting poison damage, and situation where you win although all commanders die could happen with poison clouds or such. Could it be possible that poison resistance throw (somewhere I remember reading there was some resisted thingie, or?) were bugged similarly to the previous MR bug? Ok that was a total shot in the dark.

Anyway, I think my host has this and previous turns' .trn/.ftrlnd files saved if there's any interest in them. (oh yes, 2.11, I'm on winxp, don't know of the host, yet)

[Master Shake]

Could the answer be Decay. If I remember correctly, units hit with decay make a MR after the battle for death. So the commander could have survived the battle, but died to decay afterwards.

[LintMan]

Originally posted by Master Shake:
Could the answer be Decay. If I remember correctly, units hit with decay make a MR after the battle for death. So the commander could have survived the battle, but died to decay afterwards.

The Marignon force had no decay-capable units, and four of the six unexpectedly dead commanders were never attacked at all during the battle, not by melee, missiles, or spells, and they were in perfect health at the end (although they had fatigue at ~100).

Interestingly, on the next turn, one of my commanders was attacked by an asassin. The battle was shown to be in a certain province. She easily dispatched the asassin. When I checked the location of the attacked commander, though, she was in a neighboring province to the one it showed the battle was in. Neither province shows the crossed swords indicating a battle took place.

I'm starting to think my game has gotten a bit corrupted. Fortunately, I'm in the endgame stages now.