when is the next patch scheduled?

Cohen · #1 June 8th, 2004, 06:18 AM

I'd like to see Immobile a little more nice.

I agree with body for Scorpion King.

Hey, we're missing all the range of human pretenders that none use!!! (unless forced by houserules!).

Blitz · #2 June 8th, 2004, 07:16 AM

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Agian, a tough trampler is quite good in the early game.

Is it? How about a Virtue? Ever try an A3/E3 virtue when expanding? You can have that, dominion 7, and 320 points for scales/castle. A far better early SC, plus the lategame potential of any SC for less points. A third path at 3 (water, death, nature, whatever) leaves you with 200 points. Compare that to a bull which is going to cost the exact same to get your paths regardless of which you take, except that Nature isn't a common SC school, especially considering you already regenerate. The virtue has the same path choice, a powerful ability in awe, and FAR more lategame potential.

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I invite you to play agianst me using a monolith sometime, just becouse you need to teleport to use it as an SC does not mean it isn't worth it

I can't find a comparable 40 path cost, 40 point pretender to argue this with that didn't suck, So I guess we're going to have to fire back with the Lady of Fortune. For 50 more points you can both move around and use 6 extra slots. Is that fair? Even if you think that's fine, consider the LOF's amazing special ability. If your plan is to throw up Astral Shield/Soul Vortex and cast away, you probably would be better off with a little defense value, which the LOF has in spades over the Monolith. If you intend on using direct spells, I point to the LOF's 8 more precision. Even when using foul vapors, the LOF can wear a PR ring and still have you beat by 5 item slots. Whatever you are up to with your monolith, I can almost guarantee you there's a better chassis out there.

Please remember... just because you can win with a chassis does not mean it's balanced. Remember the Vampire Queen? Lots of people beat them, but they were still too cheap. This is the same thing. Why is the Nataraja good? Because it's free. If it were 100 points it wouldn't be as good. But I can promise you one thing... if the Nataraja had been introduced at 100 points and someone posted that it should be free there would be a whole slew of Posts about how great Natarajas were and how they are well worth 100 points. Think about it... if the Great Mother was a 50 point pick would the game suddenly be flooded with Great Mothers? Probably not. It's a very limited chassis that would still be rarely used.

Teraswaerto · #3 June 8th, 2004, 07:32 AM

The Monolith is cheap and has high starting dominion. It has 200 base hp and 28 base protection. I don't see it needing any improvement, though having 2 misc. slots would be nice.

Blitz · #4 June 8th, 2004, 07:48 AM

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The Monolith is cheap and has high starting dominion. It has 200 base hp and 28 base protection. I don't see it needing any improvement, though having 2 misc. slots would be nice.

Out of curiosity, how often have you actually used one?

quantum_mechani · #5 June 8th, 2004, 08:04 AM

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Originally posted by Blitz:

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The Monolith is cheap and has high starting dominion. It has 200 base hp and 28 base protection. I don't see it needing any improvement, though having 2 misc. slots would be nice.

Out of curiosity, how often have you actually used one?

I don't know exactly, but likely on my top 15 list of pretenders.

Teraswaerto · #6 June 8th, 2004, 08:30 AM

Quite often, though usually as a replacement for the Oracle with nations that can't use it (the Oracle, that is). I have one in a MP currently on turn 81, for example.

Nagot Gick Fel · #7 June 8th, 2004, 09:35 AM

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Originally posted by Blitz:
Think about it... if the Great Mother was a 50 point pick would the game suddenly be flooded with Great Mothers? Probably not. It's a very limited chassis that would still be rarely used.

Different people, different experiences. Mine suggest the Great Mother comes 3r or 4th as a popular choice, close behind the VQ and the Ghost King, about on the same rank as the Lady of Fortune.

In Dominions 1 she was also very popular, sharing the top spot with the Wyrm and the Sphinx. But in Doms 1 the Wyrm costed 50 points less, the Sphinx could gate/TP and had more slots, the VQ and GK didn't exist, and the LoF sucked big time (was known as the Daughter of the River).