Fun with Arco Astrologers

[Boron]

Originally posted by Kel:
3) You often aren't searching blindly so it's not a straight random chance. Scales can tip you off to the existence of sites, particularly death. Certain terrain is also more likely to contain certain sites, further improving your odds.

All this said, the biggest point for acashic, as opposed to physical/individual spell searching is the loss of research from individual site searchers. That's why I am intrigued to try out a rush strategy in conj. with Pythium.


- Kel [/QB]

all in all you are right i think .

in theory pythium is really good and with normal research you can get quite quick ( turn 12-15 ) at conjuration 5 but the problem is that you need time to benefit from this potential.

my main problems are : either i have a very bad economy ( by turn 10-15 you should have 1 better 2 grand theurgs + some theurgs to quick research ) . if you take a weak pretender you can get nice dominion scales but then you can accashic but there are no good summons even for the arch theurgs in the beginning and so on .

but on the other way if you make a good pretender i have such incomeproblems and since the principles / legionaires cost both 19 resources i can't take sloth and productivity would be a good idea .

so at the moment i am either a quite good accaish caster but very fragile in early game or i have such a weak economy that i can't research fast enough and so on


arco is really much more flexible i think since e.g. elephants are nice for early expansion ihmo but are not very expensive and thaumaturgy with the one kind of site find spells is a good path anyway with mind burn and soul slay as early / midpath battle spells .

so perhaps a good use of accashic is for ryhleh then but only for some of his land provinces since underwater probably voice of tiamat is more cost effective ( almost 50% of all sites for the cost of 9 water gems right ) ?

[Kel]

probably voice of tiamat is more cost effective ( almost 50% of all sites for the cost of 9 water gems right ) ?

8 water gems, even better. Not sure what % of sites, exactly. All elemental, in any case.

Btw, while I don't think acashic is normally all that good, at 25 astral, but as i mentioned, you have inspired me to try out a Pythium conj rush so thanks for the idea, in any case =)

- Kel

[ July 02, 2004, 22:08: Message edited by: Kel ]

[Norfleet]

Tiamat is great underwater, since it hits 4 out of the 7 site types available to you: I don't think there are blood sites underwater, all for the cost of 8 water gems that would probably have otherwise become a clam anyway, and the payoff for Tiamating is usually better unless site frequency is crud.

[Boron]

Originally posted by Kel:

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probably voice of tiamat is more cost effective ( almost 50% of all sites for the cost of 9 water gems right ) ?

8 water gems, even better. Not sure what % of sites, exactly. All elemental, in any case.

Btw, while I don't think acashic is normally all that good, at 25 astral, but as i mentioned, you have inspired me to try out a Pythium conj rush so thanks for the idea, in any case =)

- Kel

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thnx for opening my mind against accashic too

if you are successful with pyhtium would you say me what pretender you took and the scales ?

because my main problem with pythium is they are a bit unflexible
principles are good but at the moment i see no use for any other pythium unit
serpent cataphracts are very expensive with ~60 resource costs , for the same you get 3 principles which are better

emerald guards have ~30 resource costs + strat movement of 1

the hydras i consider as too expensive


so in conclusion at least for early-midgame my army mainly consists of principles .
they take out indies very well and are only a bit vulnerable for crossbowfire .
but they are not very quick so flanking units are a real problem

i guess i either focus on ryhleh now or a blood nation first

[Blitz]

but for pythium / ryhleh / arco the most valuable spell seems to be accaish record ihmo and the 8 find one element spells are total crap .

I can't even begin to tell you how much I disagree with this.