Saber Cherry is alive and well

Norfleet · #1 July 11th, 2004, 07:59 AM

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Originally posted by Daynarr:
Let me see, Saber hasn't visited these forums in a while and you claim that you "heard" that she might have died. Take a note that this is a rumour apparently only you have heard and since she was visiting this forum it's a bit weird to have such "rumour" originate from outside, isn't it. What, some of your friends in your neighbourhood (that never seen her, know where she's living, etc.) said that she may have died and you believed it?

I forget exactly how this person came about this information. Maybe he got it from somebody else. In any case, it seemed to be as plausible an explanation as any, and I had no reason to disbelieve it, as I don't have any grudge against Saber Cherry, so didn't see a need to investigate further. Had I had some sort of beef against Saber, I'd have absolutely demanded to see a body, naturally: People who you detest have an obnoxious habit of surviving death and have to be killed very thoroughly. People you don't mind, on the other hand, die at the drop of a hat. It's just the way the universe works.

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This whole thing seems like your fabrication and quite frankly this fabrication is really sick. To spread a rumour that somebody has died just because he's not visiting forums in a while is nothing short of it.

I never billed it above the status of "rumor", so it's your own fault if you put more stock in it than I did. The fact remains that at the time, it was a plausible, and surprisingly common, reason for individuals spontaneously disappearing from forums where they were extremely involved in, from personal experience gained from other forums.

Zapmeister · #2 July 11th, 2004, 08:37 AM

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Originally posted by Norfleet:
I never billed it above the status of "rumor"

Just for the record, you used the word "undoubtedly" which, in most people's language, means that you are in no doubt.

Daynarr · #3 July 11th, 2004, 08:40 AM

Lol, Norfleet. You have, so far displayed in these forums that you are incredibly sceptical, or to quote you:

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I can be a nice guy, but I'm also just as skeptical and untrusting as I appear, if not more so. It's a trait that has kept me alive. If I wasn't this way, I'd already be dead.

from this thread http://www.shrapnelgames.com/cgi-bin...;f=74;t=003151

So you want us to belive that you heard some 3rd person that doesn't have a clue who Saber Cherry was that she died (a very likely event indeed

) and posted this on the forum. Something doesn't fit, now does it?
Not to mention how likely was that this information is true and how unlikely that "sceptical" person would accept such information without "further investigation". To put it short, I don�t buy it.

And YOU and only you are the originator of this rumour in this forum so don't put a blame on anyone else, please. Even if that someone else doesn't exist.

Norfleet · #4 July 11th, 2004, 08:42 AM

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Originally posted by Zapmeister:
Just for the record, you used the word "undoubtedly" which, in most people's language, means that you are in no doubt.

Given that I had no reason to doubt the rumor, as stated below, I therefore had no doubt about it. Of course, I still stated it was a rumor, admittedly one which we had no reason to doubt given evidence to the contrary, unless, of course, you had some sort of grudge against Saber Cherry. But since everyone likes Saber Cherry, why would we have doubted such a thing?

Norfleet · #5 July 11th, 2004, 08:50 AM

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Originally posted by Daynarr:
Lol, Norfleet. You have, so far displayed in these forums that you are incredibly sceptical

Yes, but this is a rumor about somebody's death. Somebody I have nothing against. So why would I have any reason to be concerned? Now if it had been the rumor about somebody I didn't like, such as, say, Stormbind, dying, I'd have demanded immediate verification so that appropriate action (rejoicing) could be taken. But since I have nothing against Saber Cherry, there was no reason to have to plan any kind of action in response, and therefore, no cause for such concern.

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So you want us to belive that you heard some 3rd person that doesn't have a clue who Saber Cherry was that she died (a very likely event indeed ) and posted this on the forum. Something doesn't fit, now does it?

People die every day. It's not unexpected, particularly in light of sudden disappearance. It usually means they fell into a booby trap or were captured or some other suitably unpleasant fate which awaits the unwary and careless in day to day life.

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Not to mention how likely was that this information is true and how unlikely that "sceptical" person would accept such information without "further investigation". To put it short, I don�t buy it.

I have many things to investigate every day, such as the rumors of deaths of people I genuinely despised. If you had something against Saber Cherry, it would have been YOUR duty to investigate the rumor. I'm a busy man! I don't have time to investigate every minor rumor about matters that I am indifferent to! After all, this doesn't affect *ME* in any way. Clearly, you don't understand the manner in which my skepticism operates.

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And YOU and only you are the originator of this rumour in this forum so don't put a blame on anyone else, please. Even if that someone else doesn't exist.

No, I merely stated the rumor as a possible, consistent, cause of Saber Cherry's disappearance. I wasn't the one who originated it. I don't recall who started it, or whether the person who told me about it was the one who started it in any case, and rather than name the wrong name on accident, I'll just state that it's a name who I don't recall at the moment. I'm old and I have a long beard. My memory isn't what it used to be.

Zapmeister · #6 July 11th, 2004, 08:52 AM

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Just for the record, you used the word "undoubtedly" which, in most people's language, means that you are in no doubt.

Given that I had no reason to doubt the rumor, as stated below, I therefore had no doubt about it.

Your position is logical nonsense. A rumour is, by definition, a premise that is in doubt. The full context of your "undoubtedly" remark is:

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it's reasonable to expect that something of this sort has undoubtedly occurred.

... indicating that you are not in doubt that the premise (SC has died) is true.
Nuff said, I think.

Norfleet · #7 July 11th, 2004, 08:55 AM

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Originally posted by Zapmeister:
Your position is logical nonsense. A rumour is, by definition, a premise that is in doubt.

In doubt, yes, although clearly by you, and not by me. I had no reason to care either way: I, unlike you, don't have some sort of grudge against Saber Cherry that would necessitate stalking him by email just to confirm whether or not he had died.

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it's reasonable to expect that something of this sort has undoubtedly occurred.

... indicating that you are not in doubt that the premise (SC has died) is true.
Nuff said, I think.

That can be based on the following:
1. Saber Cherry has not harmed anyone.
2. Therefore, no reasonable person had any reason to have any grudge against Saber Cherry.
3. Therefore, no reasonable person had any reason to doubt that Saber Cherry's sudden and inexplicable disappearance was due to some sort of unpleasant and likely gruesome fate, as stated in the rumor.