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[Demosthenes]

Apparently Steve Jackson Games is still publishing some new Version of the classic Car Wars. But they've streamlined it and made it purely tactical.

Oh the joys of perusing Uncle Al's weapon catalog, shopping for roof mounted turrets and rocket pods. Those were the days.

The classic C64 Autoduel was sweet too.

EDIT: Sorry for taking this even further OT, but the topic has been played out mefinks.

[ July 16, 2004, 21:16: Message edited by: Demosthenes ]

[Gandalf Parker]

Really? Im go have to look into that. I really miss Car Wars. I even daydreamed of decking out my car with a turret, cannon, some side-mount machine guns (all props of course). Of course that was a long time ago. Nowadays they better be real or dont bother putting them on at all.

[Cainehill]

Originally posted by Boron:

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Originally posted by Cainehill:
Not sure you can blame it on the Allies, given that Japan didn't wind up the same way.

not to forget italy , finland , bulgaria ... .
but the most important point is that 1. none of these did as evil war crimes as germany and
2. none of these nations had decent enough techs to be a real threat .

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You haven't studied your 20th century history if you think that Japan didn't commit war crimes just as evil as Germany's. The fact that it was mostly against the Chinese, Koreans, Russians and Philipines simply means that it didn't get the publicity Germany's did in the Western world.

Also I find it odd that you put Finland in the same Category as Germany, Italy, and Japan - heck, France did more to help Germany than Finland did.

[PrinzMegaherz]

You haven't studied your 20th century history if you think that Japan didn't commit war crimes just as evil as Germany's. The fact that it was mostly against the Chinese, Koreans, Russians and Philipines simply means that it didn't get the publicity Germany's did in the Western world.

Also I find it odd that you put Finland in the same Category as Germany, Italy, and Japan - heck, France did more to help Germany than Finland did.

Not to forget the war crimes commited by England and Amerika.

Even though the winners write history, Hiroshima was and is a warcrime.

After germany had surrendered, brittish bomber squads wiped out the whole city of Dresden, killing about 202.040 civilians, mostly women and children in the process, without reason. The war was already over.

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Funny Note: Most of the english pilots have been told there was a chemical factory producing weapons of mass destruction in Dresden.

[ July 17, 2004, 08:07: Message edited by: PrinzMegaherz ]

[atul]

Originally posted by Cainehill:
Also I find it odd that you put Finland in the same Category as Germany, Italy, and Japan - heck, France did more to help Germany than Finland did.

Well, might have something to do with the fact that while France was under occupation Finland was fighting one of the Allies (Russia) alongside Axis.

Finland was originally given to Russia by Germany with that Ribbentrop (something like that) treaty that split eastern Europe between the two nations, so bar some volunteers Finland was pretty much alone in the first war (39-40) against Russia, IIRC. But as Germany opened the eastern front, in we went as allies (German troops were in charge for actions in northern Finland, actually) to our second war against Russia. When Finnish troops crossed pre-39 borders, at least GB declared war to them.

So I'd say Finland had a place in that list - not because it had a big impact but because of the side it took. And as to mentality as a nation, I'd think every nation has had to deal this thing in their own way. I know Finnish society is still affected, although not in a so visible way as German, and without knowing too much about Japan they even now have that 'self defence force' (don't know the correct term) instead of army.

[Nagot Gick Fel]

Originally posted by Gandalf Parker:
Really? Im go have to look into that. I really miss Car Wars.

Me too. Now that I think about it, maybe that's why I went to play Dominions? I miss my ol' tramplin' trailer truck so bad!

[Demosthenes]

http://www.sjgames.com/car-wars/