Death Knight Army

[Boron]

perhaps this would be a good idea for a future theme .
EEBB mages .

cause for every other similiar blood summon there are in most cases 2 nations there :

devils : abysia / marignon DF / mictlan
frost fiends : mictlan / jotunheim
cross breeding : pangenea / mictlan

storm demon is though a similiar candidate :
vanheim (standard) can get the 2nd needed blood pick only with 1/8 th possibility on their very expensive vanadrotts.

or they need to empower their vanjarls +1 blood .

but they can't natural cast it .
with pangenea it is similiar for demon knights but there the odds are much worse than for vanheim .

perhaps the designers thought that storm demons and death knights are the "best" demon troops and better than the above listed devils and so on .

vanheim + pangenea have further in common that it is much harder for them to get a blood economy going .
pangeneas pandemoniacs are just very expensive .
vanheims bloodhunters have only blood 1 and are very expensive . the SDR is a must for them.
and a +1 blood item doesn't hurt too .

but vanheim has already plenty of other strenghts like powerful air magic , possible bless strategies ...

a 4th pangenea theme where the pans are replaced through blood 2 earth 2 pans would perhaps be nice to fill the niche

edit : didn't see your posting already when writing this Cheezeninja

sounds very rational why there should be no EEBB nation / theme

[ July 17, 2004, 00:17: Message edited by: Boron ]

[Graeme Dice]

Originally posted by Boron:
[QB]vanheims bloodhunters have only blood 1 and are very expensive . the SDR is a must for them.
and a +1 blood item doesn't hurt too .

A +1 blood item has an identical effect to a SDR when blood searching. It will take 15 turns for even the cheapest +1 item (brazen vessel forged with a hammer) to pay for itself, which is not a very good use of your blood slaves.

[Boron]

Originally posted by Graeme Dice:

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Originally posted by Boron:
[QB]vanheims bloodhunters have only blood 1 and are very expensive . the SDR is a must for them.
and a +1 blood item doesn't hurt too .

A +1 blood item has an identical effect to a SDR when blood searching. It will take 15 turns for even the cheapest +1 item (brazen vessel forged with a hammer) to pay for itself, which is not a very good use of your blood slaves.

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that's a good thought .
it is a bit better for a blood 1 mage though or ?
because with blood 1 you have 40% chance to find blood , with blood 2 which a vanjarl will have with SDR for blood hunting purposes it is 80% and with 3+ 100% or ?
so it will be something like 10-12 turns but i never thought it that way

with abysia and the like i of course only forge a SDR

[ July 17, 2004, 00:45: Message edited by: Boron ]

[Graeme Dice]

Originally posted by Boron:
because with blood 1 you have 40% chance to find blood , with blood 2 which a vanjarl will have with SDR for blood hunting purposes it is 80% and with 3+ 100% or?

The chance is 10% + 40%*Blood. A blood 2 mage has a 90% chance, as does a blood 1 mage with a SDR.

[Cohen]

Well I believe Pan should't get Demon Knights ... I don't feel Pan using demons, but more xbreeding as before stated.

About using blood enhancing items for blood hunting, well I use them only when they're useless elsewhere.
I prefer +1 blood slave than +1 research point.
But usually they're assigned to forging or casting.

[Boron]

Originally posted by Graeme Dice:

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Originally posted by Boron:
because with blood 1 you have 40% chance to find blood , with blood 2 which a vanjarl will have with SDR for blood hunting purposes it is 80% and with 3+ 100% or?

The chance is 10% + 40%*Blood. A blood 2 mage has a 90% chance, as does a blood 1 mage with a SDR.

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ah thnx . btw the storm demon isn't such a great idea for vanheim at all or ? because he just adds to their strenghts ( already superpowerful airmages ) but does not cover their weaknesses .
against lighningresistant creatures / sc's storm demons are pretty useless or ?

[quantum_mechani]

Originally posted by Boron:


does anyone know if there are perhaps rare indep mages which fit for this role ?

You have a good chance with indie Wizards. The sorcery based ones can get 2B1E and the elemantal ones 2E1B, easy to go from there with boosters.