OT - your fav games

[Boron]

Originally posted by Arryn:
Morrowind is *older* than Gothic 2 (and perhaps Gothic). It's graphics were cutting-edge when the game came out, and are not shabby even by today's standards, almost 3 years later. Stop to consider that Diablo 2 had woefully-obsolete graphics when *it* was released, and huge numbers of players still play the game today. Ditto JA2.

hm i always thought that gothic 1 is older than morrowind and gothic 2 came out only about 1/2 year after morrowind .
ihmo gothic 1 had already an almost as good graphic as morrowind and the gothic 2 graphic is much better .

ja 2 is one of my alltime favourites too .
another one is starcraft .
both have crappy graphics but graphics but graphics don't play a major role for me .
but in first person 3d games like morrowind and gothic they matter .
unfortunately i played gothic 2 before morrowind and then i was disappointed .
i don't know why but i don't like the morrowind graphic. i still play counterstrike which has a worse graphic than morrowind but there i don't care .
it is just a personal disliking for morrowind don't know why .

[tinkthank]

Originally posted by Arryn:

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Originally posted by Gandalf Parker:
Morrowind I didnt like nearly as well as Daggerfall. I was very dissapointed

Why? People keep saying they disliked the game, but they decline to say *what* it is about the game they didn't like (besides the graphics load on a computer, which is a non-issue with today's Boards).

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Sorry.
It seemed to me, like NWN, to be a world done without love. (This angered me even more in NWN, the makers of which having had really impressed me elsewhere.)
Despite being full of *things*, it seemed empty and hollow. (Think Heidegger's Zuhandenheit vs. Vorhandenheit here.)
This feeling was exacerbated in my eyes by an incredibly high degree of means-ends-functionality: almost nothing was there for its own sake, either as a pleasure or a joke or whatever. The NPCs seemed to me to be mere vessels to be robbed, killed, persuaded or from whom one could receive a quest (depending on your char type). The lack of feeling of immersion annoyed me so much that I had to stop somewhere in the middle of that big city whose name escapes me. Small things bothered me: I hated being greeted everywhere as "Outlander", even when disguised with that special helmet you got from one of those quests somewhere else.

I really liked the good system (nice classlessness, nicely open-ended); all in all, it was a good idea which was also implemented halfway decently, but one which completely lacked magic and feeling for me.

[Boron]

Originally posted by tinkthank:

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Originally posted by Arryn:

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Originally posted by Gandalf Parker:
Morrowind I didnt like nearly as well as Daggerfall. I was very dissapointed

Why? People keep saying they disliked the game, but they decline to say *what* it is about the game they didn't like (besides the graphics load on a computer, which is a non-issue with today's Boards).

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Sorry.
It seemed to me, like NWN, to be a world done without love. (This angered me even more in NWN, the makers of which having had really impressed me elsewhere.)
Despite being full of *things*, it seemed empty and hollow. (Think Heidegger's Zuhandenheit vs. Vorhandenheit here.)
This feeling was exacerbated in my eyes by an incredibly high degree of means-ends-functionality: almost nothing was there for its own sake, either as a pleasure or a joke or whatever. The NPCs seemed to me to be mere vessels to be robbed, killed, persuaded or from whom one could receive a quest (depending on your char type). The lack of feeling of immersion annoyed me so much that I had to stop somewhere in the middle of that big city whose name escapes me. Small things bothered me: I hated being greeted everywhere as "Outlander", even when disguised with that special helmet you got from one of those quests somewhere else.

I really liked the good system (nice classlessness, nicely open-ended); all in all, it was a good idea which was also implemented halfway decently, but one which completely lacked magic and feeling for me.

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yeah in neverwinter nights the story is only in parts nice . i liked the stories of your henchmen and parts of the main story but especially the first chapter in neverwinter nights i didn't like .
in the addition disks the story became better ihmo .
especially in the second one hordes from underdark the ingamevideos for important parts of the story were nice .
and the new special classes + epic chars until lvl 40 are nice .

i like the d&d rules system and it is well implemented in neverwinter nights .

but i didn't get as addicted with nwn as with e.g. diablo . bg 2 had the much nicer story too .

and another problem is that it is much too easy with certain characters .

i played a fighter / weaponmaster with 2 kukris .
i sharpened both by the smith in hordes from underdark and well it was really boring .
6 attacks / turn with critcal hit from 10-20 .
everything non critical immune got a critical hit almost every 2nd attack and so 100-150 damage . but even special critical immune monsters like the undead dragon died very quick .

so it is really too easy but balance seems to be very hard for roleplaygames in general .
in gothic 2 it was the same once you were familiar with the fighting system and knew what skills / attributes are important it was too easy too . i didn't need to use a single heal potion with any of the 6 dragons which disappointed me totally . they were integrated very atmospherically as great evils in the story but unfortunately they were easier to kill than 4 eliteorks

[Leif_-]

Originally posted by Mardagg:

-Legend of Faerghail

WHAT? Somebody else has actually heard about this game? Now I'm tempted to dig out UAE and exploit the clone items "feature" again.

[Kel]

I always saw NWN as a success. I had the impression it was meant to be a background for Online role playing where people could conduct their own games with players and dungeon msaters and other such role playing things.

The 'story' it came with was, to me, just like a demo, not the actual game. You were meant to come up with your own stuff, they were just providing the mechanics. That said, the game had a progressive memory leak that made it unplayable after a half hour, for me

- Kel

[Karacan]

Originally posted by Arryn:

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Originally posted by djtool:
I tried Morrowind myself...it didn't hold my interest.

And again, I ask: why?

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I'm speaking here as someone who played Morrowind extensively for about four months, but I, too, was disappointed in retrospect. "We have learned from Daggerfall", exlaimed Bethesda. "We will provide unique characters this time, and interaction will be great." After the tenth time bribing and flattering an important NPC to gain vital informations or to solve a quest, this statement becomes a sore joke. The quests, while varied, where nevertheless of cookie-cutter-quality. Get item/disable person A for person B to tell person C. The nice storylines help from time to time, but the pattern rarely changes, with only a few notable exceptions.

I constantly asked myself if I would have liked Morrowind nearly as well as I did if it had, say, Ultima I-III graphics, or pixelated textures like good old Doom, and I have come to the conclusion that without the brilliant graphics of Morrowind (this is the best nightsky of any game I ever saw, including every single modern space sim, and the dust storms just looked cool, and while I love Gothic and its sequel as well, they just don't touch this), it wouldn't have Lasted long on my computer. Maybe you and I are more graphically inclined than others.

If Dom II had the graphics of Morrowind, I'd still love it. If Morrowind had the graphics of Dom II, I wouldn't. Oh, and compared to Daggerfall, I was very disappointed by the rather uninteresting dungeons. I seriously hope that Oblivion - which I will purchase blind, as well - comes out as a hybrid between Daggerfall goodness and Morrowind playability and graphics.

Whoa. I guess that's why noone tried to answer you in long, because I for one could have gone on for another hour or so.

/edit: So much text, so much spelling.

[ July 19, 2004, 13:29: Message edited by: Karacan ]

[djtool]

And again, I ask: why?

There are plenty of games I dislike, and games I like that have things I dislike about them. But if someone says they dislike or didn't care for something, without saying why, there's no basis for someone else to compare or judge. [/QB]

I didn't think anyone really cared so I didn't wat to waste anyones time by contributing my reasons why. Its pointless anyways since this thread isn't about whether someone wants to buy it or not.

well that's just the way I feel

[ July 19, 2004, 14:50: Message edited by: djtool ]