Draconian Mod Under construction

Thilock_Dominus · #1 July 20th, 2004, 09:21 PM

As promised I'll post some of the units that are complete on the paper.

Normal Commanders which will also be present in province defense:

Draconian Commander
HP: 14 PROT: 10 MORALE: 13 MIR: 12 ENC: 7 AP: 10 Move: 1
STR: 12 ATT: 10 DF: 11 PRE: 10

Abilities: Fire Flare Breath (350), Mountain Survival, Fire res. (50), Flying

General: Oak Leader (25) Item Slot 15622

Weapon: Iron Dragon Spear (602), Bite (20)

Armour: Ring Mail (6), Helmet (20)

Cost: 150 gold/10 resources

Draconian Lord
HP: 15 PROT: 10 MORALE: 14 MIR: 14 ENC: 6 AP: 10 Move: 1
STR: 13 ATT: 12 DF: 12 PRE: 10

Abilities: Fire Flare Breath (350), Mountain Survival, Fire res. (75), Flying

General: Expert Leader (50) Item Slot 15622

Weapon: Falchion (10), Bite (20)

Armour: Scale Mail (7), Helmet (20), Round Shield (2)

Cost : 180 gold/ 18 resources

Next are Wizard like:

Draconian Apprentice
HP: 10 PROT: 2 MORALE: 12 MIR: 13 ENC: 4 AP: 9 Move: 1
STR: 8 ATT: 8 DF: 10 PRE: 11

Abilities: 2 Fire, 1 Air, Mountain Survival, Fire res (25), Flying.

General: Poor Leader (10) Item Slot: 15622

Weapon: Dagger (9), Bite (20)

Armour: None

Cost : 130 gold/ 5 resources

Draconian Elder
HP: 12 PROT: 5 MORALE: 16 MIR: 15 ENC: 5 AP: 10 Move: 1
STR: 12 ATT: 8 DF: 10 PRE: 13

Abilities: 3 Fire, 3 Air, 1 E. Random, Fire Flare Breath (350), Mountain Survival.
Fire res (75), Flying

General: Oak Leader (25) Item Slot: 15622

Weapon: Wooden Dragon Staff (604), Bite (20)

Armour: None

Cost: 290 gold/ 18 resources

Temple units, can only be bought if temple is present:

Temple Servant
HP: 10 PROT: 5 MORALE: 12 MIR: 13 ENC: 7 AP: 10 Move: 2
STR: 10 ATT: 9 DF: 8 PRE: 12

Abilities: 2 Holy, 2 Air, Fire Flare Breath (350), Mountain Survival, Fire res (50)
Holy, Heal, Flying, Female

General: Poor Leader (10) Item Slot: 15622

Weapon: Ritual Dagger (603), Bite (20)

Armour: None

Cost : 160 gold/ 15 Resources

Temple Priest
HP: 15 PROT: 5 MORALE: 16 MIR: 15 ENC: 6 AP: 10 Move: 1
STR: 12 ATT: 10 DF: 14 PRE: 12

Abilities: 3 astral, 2 air, 1 random, 3 Holy, Fire Flare breath (350),
Mountain Survival, Flying, Fire res: (75), Holy, Heal

General: Good Leader (50) Item slot: 15622

Weapon: Wooden Dragon Staff (601), Bite (20)

Armour: None

Cost: 350 gold/30 resources

Temple Lord
HP: 22 PROT: 10 MORALE: 16 MIR: 13 ENC: 6 AP: 11 Move: 1
STR: 16 ATT: 14 DF: 16 PRE: 12

Abilities: 3 Holy, 1 Fire, Fire Flare Breath (350), Holy, Mountain Survival,
Ambidextrous (3), Fire res. (75), Heal

General: Expert Leader (75) Item Slot: 15622 + 4096

Weapon: Falchion (10), Falchion (10), Bite (20)

Armour: Scale Mail Armor (12), Helmet (20)

Cost : 320 gold/25 resources

Special Heroes, can only be bought at the capitol:

Changeling
HP: 12 PROT: 5 MORALE: 14 MIR: 12 ENC: 4 AP: 12 MOVE: 2
STR: 11 ATT: 12 DEF: 12 PRE: 14

Abilities: 2 air, 1 Fire, Flying, Fire Flare breath (350), Illusion, Awe (1),
Mountain Survival, Fire res: (50), Magic Being, Spy, Assassinate.
Ambidextrous (2)

General: No leading, Item Slot: 15622

Weapon: 2x dagger (9), Bite (20)

Armour: None

Cost: 250 gold/25 resources

Arcane Changeling
HP: 12 PROT: 5 MORALE: 14 MIR: 15 ENC: 4 AP: 10 Move: 2
STR: 10 ATT: 11 DEF: 10 PRE: 13

Abilities: 6 x Random magic, Flying, Fire Flare breath (350), Illusion, Awe (1),
Mountainsurvival, Fire res: (75), Magic Being, Spy

General: Good leader (50), Good Magic leader (50), Item slot: 15622

Weapon: Arcane Staff (600), bite (20)

Armour : None

Cost : 300 gold/ 35 resources

Endoperez · #2 July 20th, 2004, 10:26 PM

Quote:

Thilock_Dominus wrote:
Changeling
Abilities: 2 air, 1 Fire, Flying, Fire Flare breath (350), Illusion, Awe (1),
Mountain Survival, Fire res: (50), Magic Being, Spy, Assassinate.
Ambidextrous (2)

Cost: 250 gold/25 resources, restricted to capitol

So you have a flying mage-assasin who is also a spy and has awe (+1) and glamour (I think you ment this). The base commander you described earlier costed 150 gold. Are you sure that Stealth, Assasination, Spy, magics of 2 and 1, awe higher than that of Dryads and Glamour are not worth more than 100 gold? His only weaknesses, when compared to base commander, are: no armor, magic being, capitol only.
One of the things I skipped, base precision of 14, makes him really evil. After researching Evocation 2 your assasin will hurl Lightning Bolts (14+ an dmg) with precision of (14+7) 21. If that is not enough, at alteration and enchantment one he has access to Fire Shield and Aim, and if given even one Fire gem he will be able to cast Sulphur Haze. So to protect your commanders from this assasin you have to give them immunity to lightning, fire and poison. This is without magic items on your assasin.

Up their cost, probably lower or get rid of the magics, lower awe to +0.

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Dragon Commander
Cost: 150 gold/10 resources

Dragon Lord
Cost : 180 gold/ 18 resources

For a difference of 25 in the amount of units they can lead, 30 pieces of gold seem to be too small amount. Lord is also much better fighter than Commander. Maybe you might want to rename them to Dragon Warlord and Dragon Noble, nobles would lead 50 units but Warlords would make better thugs.

Recheck the resource values. Resources are supposed to show the value of equipment, gold the value of training+the value of the creature's abilities. Gold costs might be little too low (compare to both Caelum and Jotunheim), but resource costs vary too much. Mages take more resources than the warrior-commanders!

For almost all their mages, up their gold cost. Especially for Temple Servant, as they are holy, flying Air 2 mages and the upkeep and great mobility make up for cost. You seem to have left the price of them being Draconian out - they fly, have some natural protection, more hitpoints than weakly human mages...

One thing you have not yet written but that matters a lot is their size. Both because of supply value and for the problems they will face against swarms. Remember that wings up their size by one from what it would be without them. Also, consider giving the base units either little higher gold cost or little lower att/def than you would think they need, because the wings get on the way of fighting.

They are not coldblooded. Is this intentional? I could ask the same for poison resistance, but I fiqured that since C'tissians already fill the role of poison-resistant reptiles you decided to give that a pass.

Question about naming: why the weapons are named Dragon while their makers Draconian? Maybe Draconian or Draconic would do better. Besides, Wooden Dragon Staff seems... problematic. Maybe Dragonbone Staff? Draconian Quaterstaff? Or just Quaterstaff? Also, if something is made of iron there is no need to mention that. Iron is the common material, and only those more rare (black steel, bronze) need to be mentioned.

[ July 20, 2004, 21:29: Message edited by: Endoperez ]

Thilock_Dominus · #3 July 21st, 2004, 07:04 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Endoperez:

quote:
Thilock_Dominus wrote:
Changeling
Abilities: 2 air, 1 Fire, Flying, Fire Flare breath (350), Illusion, Awe (1),
Mountain Survival, Fire res: (50), Magic Being, Spy, Assassinate.
Ambidextrous (2)

Cost: 250 gold/25 resources, restricted to capitol

So you have a flying mage-assasin who is also a spy and has awe (+1) and glamour (I think you ment this). The base commander you described earlier costed 150 gold. Are you sure that Stealth, Assasination, Spy, magics of 2 and 1, awe higher than that of Dryads and Glamour are not worth more than 100 gold? His only weaknesses, when compared to base commander, are: no armor, magic being, capitol only.
One of the things I skipped, base precision of 14, makes him really evil. After researching Evocation 2 your assasin will hurl Lightning Bolts (14+ an dmg) with precision of (14+7) 21. If that is not enough, at alteration and enchantment one he has access to Fire Shield and Aim, and if given even one Fire gem he will be able to cast Sulphur Haze. So to protect your commanders from this assasin you have to give them immunity to lightning, fire and poison. This is without magic items on your assasin.

Up their cost, probably lower or get rid of the magics, lower awe to +0.[/b]

Yep, I meant glamour. I see the problem you mention and I'm gonna rebuild it. The Idea to give it awe and glamour was to illustrate that the changeling can change shape continuesly and adept form depending on who it's fighting. (confusing and astonishing the enemy)

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Dragon Commander
Cost: 150 gold/10 resources

Dragon Lord
Cost : 180 gold/ 18 resources

For a difference of 25 in the amount of units they can lead, 30 pieces of gold seem to be too small amount. Lord is also much better fighter than Commander. Maybe you might want to rename them to Dragon Warlord and Dragon Noble, nobles would lead 50 units but Warlords would make better thugs.

Recheck the resource values. Resources are supposed to show the value of equipment, gold the value of training+the value of the creature's abilities. Gold costs might be little too low (compare to both Caelum and Jotunheim), but resource costs vary too much. Mages take more resources than the warrior-commanders!

For almost all their mages, up their gold cost. Especially for Temple Servant, as they are holy, flying Air 2 mages and the upkeep and great mobility make up for cost. You seem to have left the price of them being Draconian out - they fly, have some natural protection, more hitpoints than weakly human mages...

One thing you have not yet written but that matters a lot is their size. Both because of supply value and for the problems they will face against swarms. Remember that wings up their size by one from what it would be without them. Also, consider giving the base units either little higher gold cost or little lower att/def than you would think they need, because the wings get on the way of fighting.

They are not coldblooded. Is this intentional? I could ask the same for poison resistance, but I fiqured that since C'tissians already fill the role of poison-resistant reptiles you decided to give that a pass.

Question about naming: why the weapons are named Dragon while their makers Draconian? Maybe Draconian or Draconic would do better. Besides, Wooden Dragon Staff seems... problematic. Maybe Dragonbone Staff? Draconian Quaterstaff? Or just Quaterstaff? Also, if something is made of iron there is no need to mention that. Iron is the common material, and only those more rare (black steel, bronze) need to be mentioned. [/qb]

Thanks for the suggestions,Endoperez

The Draconians going to have size as same as Caelum.

The naming issue why I've choosed Dragon instead of Draconic or Draconian is that the Draconians are related to the dragon race and their weapons are decorated and/or with dragon figures, like the wooden dragon staff which is a normal staff with a dragon head carved at the top of the staff. Also I'm gonna make new Version of these staff that can be forged which have diffrent abilities dam etc.

Thanks for the critics I need that to make this race better

best regards
Thilock

Edit: The Coldblooded, poison res. issue: I thought of it, but somehow I found it in contrast with coldblooded and mountain survival.

[ July 21, 2004, 06:18: Message edited by: Thilock_Dominus ]

Thilock_Dominus · #4 August 1st, 2004, 01:19 AM

I need some help with a good nation name for the Draconian based race. I'm totally blank. The ones I came up with is something like Dracondia, dracusia.

I'll soon post the whole units and commanders list.

Boron · #5 August 1st, 2004, 01:41 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Thilock_Dominus:

Draconian Commander
HP: 14 PROT: 10 MORALE: 13 MIR: 12 ENC: 7 AP: 10 Move: 1
STR: 12 ATT: 10 DF: 11 PRE: 10

Abilities: Fire Flare Breath (350), Mountain Survival, Fire res. (50), Flying

just that one unit as example :
i think with move you mean strategic movement .
you have a couple of flying units with movement 1 statistic so far .

if you really mean strategic movement with that then it is pretty worthless .
you still can only move 1 province / turn then .
so for strategic movement the flying ability is in vain .

in battle it will still be helpful .
but it depends whether your troops are flying through storm too ( don't know if this is a modcommand i am unfortunately a modding newbie ) or not . so when your draconians really have only 1 strategic move and not the ability to fly during storm in early-late midgame their flying ability will be even almost useless in battle with one staff of storm the enemy uses .

so an suggestion by me :
all flyers should have strat move 2 , this way they are still quite mobile but not as mobile as mictlan midgame demon / vampire armies with strat move 3 or caelum .
because your troops are stronger than caelums most likely which is thematically absolutely needed for draconians

2 strategic move would be a good choice i think .

furthermore you should make all draconians unable to fly during storm but 1-2 ones :
an air/storm dragon unit and perhaps one air/storm dragon leader .

perhaps you can make 4 kinds of dragons ( like in gothic 2 ) : 1 storm flying air dragon , 1 flying fire dragon , 1 not flying but tough earth dragon , 1 flying ice dragon

or if it is possible you could mod 3-4 of my above mentioned dragon kinds as special nation only summon spells like tien chi's celestial soldiers .

anyways looking really forward to your mod .
unfortunately i am no good name giver too

my names would either be plagiarism from e.g. d&d / dsa or boring

Thilock_Dominus · #6 July 31st, 2004, 02:13 PM

Like the Idea, Boron.

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1 storm flying air dragon , 1 flying fire dragon , 1 not flying but tough earth dragon , 1 flying ice dragon

Do you mean Dragon or draconian? Wouldn't it be to overpowered to give draconian race fullblooded dragons?

Edit: updated the the mod banner

[ July 31, 2004, 13:16: Message edited by: Thilock_Dominus ]

WraithLord · #7 August 1st, 2004, 11:53 AM

maybe you can give dragons a very high gold cost to balance them, something like 800-1100 gold. It might be thematic, after all dragons are known from their love of traesures. They may lend their help to the draconian race for huge soms of gold.

Also you might want to consider a small HP increase to all units/comanders (accompanied by some small increase in cost).
I suppose a draconian race should be physically strong.

looking forward to your complete mod