Lab Secrets

Frosted Flake · #1 July 26th, 2004, 11:46 AM

I should have said as Neifelheim , jotun has terrible reseachers..250 au for 7 is as bad as it gets

frosted flake

Arryn · #2 July 26th, 2004, 12:10 PM

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Originally posted by Frosted Flake:
I should have said as Neifelheim , jotun has terrible reseachers..250 au for 7 is as bad as it gets

I'm rather partial to Seithkona, and in general I prefer the Utgard theme to Neifel. The Neifel giants may kick butt, but they are too expensive for my taste, and the Neifel theme does leave me feeling magically-impaired. If I need a mini-SC chassis, I'd much rather build it on a Bane Lord or a Firbolg playing the Utgard theme than a Neifel giant, freeing up my cash to buy magic researchers. If I played Neifel, my money would be tied up in either cost-ineffective mages or in pricey mini-SCs.

But this strays afar from the thread's topic, so I'll stop discussing the Joys of Jotun(TM) now.

Boron · #3 July 27th, 2004, 01:03 AM

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Originally posted by Arryn:

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Originally posted by Frosted Flake:
I should have said as Neifelheim , jotun has terrible reseachers..250 au for 7 is as bad as it gets

I'm rather partial to Seithkona, and in general I prefer the Utgard theme to Neifel. The Neifel giants may kick butt, but they are too expensive for my taste, and the Neifel theme does leave me feeling magically-impaired. If I need a mini-SC chassis, I'd much rather build it on a Bane Lord or a Firbolg playing the Utgard theme than a Neifel giant, freeing up my cash to buy magic researchers. If I played Neifel, my money would be tied up in either cost-ineffective mages or in pricey mini-SCs.

But this strays afar from the thread's topic, so I'll stop discussing the Joys of Jotun(TM) now.

yeah the Niefel giants unfortunately have no recuperation and will sooner or later get an affliction if used early because you can't equip them too good so early .

thnx for the rp graph caine and storm and arryn

Kel · #4 July 26th, 2004, 03:18 PM

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Really? One of the first earth items I try to forge is that dwarven hammer - the sooner you get one, the more benefit you can get out of it.

Of course...it's just harder to forge. I can forge research items with 3 different paths and 2 of them require only 1 in a path. In contrast to the hammer that requires an E3 mage. Obviously not a problem with a couple of races but with most races, it's going to take you a while, plus other items (like earth boots) to get to a hammer.

In addition to that, and this is just me, I tend to only forge research items if I am intending a focused rush to a certain research level. In which case, I want the research asap.

It's not that I don't forge a hammer at earliest convenience, it's just that I only really find use for the research items (ok, not so much the lantern) in the extreme early game and hammers just aren't as convenient (given that you can make research items with 3 different paths and lower path requirements to boot).

I suppose that if you were looking at an end game rush strategy (clamming/wishing being the only semi famous one I can think of), this might not be true (I don't know how the numbers on how clams vs. research works out the best). Then again, I am only speaking for me and I have never started a game with a strategy to clam anyway

- Kel

Lex · #5 July 26th, 2004, 03:50 PM

i'm fairly new, but i've been reading alot of threads on this forum going back a few months, and everyone talks of gathering lots of clams to produce astral gems. But they only produce one every 4 turns, and they cost 10 water gems. After 20 turns you've only made 5 gems per clam. How can that be worth it!? How many clams are you guys making (and are water gems really so worthless that its better to make clams with them!?)

Oh, and instead of spending 20 earth gems on a dwarven hammer, why not wait a bit and use all those researchers to get the Forge of the Ancients early in the game.. that gives 50% reduction in gem use plus 1 extra in every path for forging (correct?).. (with enough researchers, you could get it well before turn 20 and still gain several levels in other paths earlier on)

archaeolept · #6 July 26th, 2004, 04:12 PM

they produce a gem a turn alexi.

and hammers stack w/ FotA - which runs the risk of being quickly dispelled anyways.

Pickles · #7 July 26th, 2004, 05:34 PM

"yeah the Niefel giants unfortunately have no recuperation and will sooner or later get an affliction if used early because you can't equip them too good so early ."

Niefel giants can never be equipped but I find that if you crank them out steadily you get a killer critical mass that can eat any indep and seems to never take any damage. Some of the older ones pick up afflictions. Critical mass is 7 with W9 blessing more without.

Niefel Jarls are still a mystery to me but they are SC you buy with cash not gems which must mean something? Regeneration items would be nice on them.

Pickles