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[Skolem]

Originally posted by PrinzMegaherz:
I am a catholic, so I am not allowed to have an oppinion other than that of the pope?

You are catholic and from Mainz, you have no right to have an opinion that is different from the pope (sadly me to) .

[Demosthenes]

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[LintMan]

Originally posted by Graeme Dice:
Why don't you take a look at Canada, where better health care than what is available in the U.S. (30th in the world vs. 38th), costs 57% as much per person.

I'm curious: can you tell me where you got those statistics from (meaning the health care world ranking and cost stats). Do you have a link? I'd love to check that out.

Thanks!

[Frosted Flake]

no hospital in the United States can turn away a patient in need. go to the emergency room in any hospital and the indigent poor receive treatment that the hospital knows will never be paid for- thats a fact. Yes the rich get better health care but if you think that isnt true everywhere ..well I have a bridge to sell you.
As for Mr. Kerry we have this thing called seperation of church and state and no religious group can tell there members how to vote. If Catholic leaders withhold the sacraments from politicians they dont like, which they can do, the government can take away their tax exempt status

Frosted Flake

[vigabrand]

Originally posted by PrinzMegaherz:

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Even more importantly is John Kerry is going against his catholic religion which is a serious moral issue.
John Kerry is unapologetically pro-abortion... yet as a Catholic, he is required to be personally opposed to the idea.

What does religion have to do with being a good president? You don't need to be religious to have decent moral values (in fact, many "bad" people tend to have some religious background. Suizide bombers who claim its for their god, paedophilic priests...).

I am a catholic, so I am not allowed to have an oppinion other than that of the pope?

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The problem is not one of religion. What John Kerry is doing, is claiming that he is Catholic, in order to appeal to Catholics/Christians, but then votes for something that is very high on the Catholic no no list. He wants to have it both ways, and that is what people are taking issue with. Actually, John Kerry has been quoted as saying he is personally against abortion, but he would never push his personal views on anyone. So he votes in favor of abortion whenever it comes up. I'm not saying every Catholic has to believe in everything the church says, but don't pander for a congregations vote, then vote against them on one of their most heated issues.

Vig

[Cainehill]

Originally posted by vigabrand:
What John Kerry is doing, is claiming that he is Catholic, in order to appeal to Catholics/Christians, but then votes for something that is very high on the Catholic no no list. He wants to have it both ways, and that is what people are taking issue with. Actually, John Kerry has been quoted as saying he is personally against abortion, but he would never push his personal views on anyone. So he votes in favor of abortion whenever it comes up. I'm not saying every Catholic has to believe in everything the church says, but don't pander for a congregations vote, then vote against them on one of their most heated issues.

Ever consider that what Kerry is doing is claiming that he's Catholic because ... he's bloody Catholic? Catholicism isn't exactly the ticket to getting elected in the USA - there's been exactly one Catholic president thus far. Percentage-wise, Catholics are one of the smallest Xian denominations in this country - if he was claiming a religion in order to get elected, he'd claim dumb-**** Southern Baptism, or whatever the current traitor to his country (Bush) is.

Remember, this is America, where the Catholics take what the Pope says with a grain of salt. In fact - this is true with a lot of the world. My girlfriend lives in a heavily Catholic country in South America and is Catholic. Much to my surprise - no, not even the latin american countries go along with the Pope on matters of birth control, pre-marital sex, or *gasp* abortions.

[Graeme Dice]

Originally posted by LintMan:
I'm curious: can you tell me where you got those statistics from (meaning the health care world ranking and cost stats). Do you have a link? I'd love to check that out.

The cost is from a CBC article:
Canadian health care quality comparable to other rich countries

It looks like the most recent ranking actually places the U.S. at 37th.

The report is very long, but a summary and a link to the rest of the information, can be found here:
The World Health Report 2004