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[Cainehill]

Oh, wait a second! I've been out of work for over four months (laid off, Marine and programmer always employed for 22 years straight), I should be supporting Graeme and the welfare state! Yes! Someone should subsidize me for life - after all, if I can't find another tech job, god forbid I should get a job as a rentacop, prison guard, short order cook, or anything else that would be beneath me - it'd be a waste of my talents!

[Graeme Dice]

Originally posted by Cainehill:
He's not "caring about people he doesn't personally know" - he's helping people, in his neighborhood, whom he does get to know. Perhaps more importantly, he's helping people who are willing to help themselves.

Then good for him. This just means that he cares more for those people he knows than doesn't know. This is normal.

He's _not_ sending money to Gloria Struthers to feed the starving kids in the Philipines, and he doesn't much care about the well being of the trailer park trash single mother with 8 kids.

And he wouldn't be upset if they were murdered in their sleep? After all, Norfleet's argument would be that they deserved to be killed, since they must not have protected themselves well enough.

You don't have to care about the faceless billions in order to not be a "social parasite".

No, you don't need to care very much about them. Since Norfleet has demonstrated that his fictional characterization of himself is a parasite for many other reasons, this is simply another demonstration of that.

[Graeme Dice]

Originally posted by Arryn:
Nope. It's a value judgment you (and others) have made. It's not an immutable law of the universe.

It is not a value judgement at all. No person can be completely responsible for their life because no person can completely control all factors that influence their life. You might argue about the relative amounts of responsibility, but there are _always_ factors that cannot be controlled, even if their effects are not significant enough to be measured.

[Arryn]

Originally posted by Norfleet:
rat-on-a-stick

Is this going to replace FO/FO2's iguana-on-a-stick?

[Norfleet]

Originally posted by Graeme Dice:
Then good for him. This just means that he cares more for those people he knows than doesn't know. This is normal.

Hey, if I had an unlimited supply of cash, I wouldn't mind helping everyone. But I don't! So you know what? I have to set priorities: Who deserves my help, who dug their own grave and should learn to dig themselves out of it.

And he wouldn't be upset if they were murdered in their sleep? After all, Norfleet's argument would be that they deserved to be killed, since they must not have protected themselves well enough.

Hey, life's hard. I fully agree that it would be tragic, but hey, times are tough. **** happens, people die every day. Life goes on. As tragic and unfortunate as this must be to the friends and family of the deceased, to me, it has no impact. To you, it also has no impact. Do you donate money to the families of every single murder victim in the world? I don't think so. So don't criticize me for being honest about it. I didn't see you donating any money to the family of my friend's nephew who was killed 8 years ago in a drive-by shooting.

Since Norfleet has demonstrated that his fictional characterization of himself is a parasite for many other reasons, this is simply another demonstration of that.

I am not a "fictional characterization". I pay my bills on time. I don't owe money. I donate more money to charity than you even earn. I am veteran. So don't go calling *ME* a parasite, you hypocrite. How much blood have you shed for YOUR country?

[ July 28, 2004, 22:55: Message edited by: Norfleet ]

[Arryn]

Originally posted by Graeme Dice:
It is not a value judgement at all. No person can be completely responsible for their life because no person can completely control all factors that influence their life.

Nope. You've confused being responsible for everything that happens in your life with accepting responsibility for your own life. In the latter case, you do not make excuses as to "why am I in this mess?" You deal with it. No crying and whining, no looking for others to bail you out.

If everyone did this, we would not have:

* pollution
* crime
* high divorce rates
* wars

and damned near every other problem we have.

[ July 28, 2004, 22:58: Message edited by: Arryn ]

[Graeme Dice]

Originally posted by Norfleet:
No. Perhaps I need that health care for myself.

Well, since other people are also paying for your health care, that wouldn't be a problem.

You seem to think that resources are unlimited and that everyone can be rich. That is not the case. If everyone were rich, we'd simply have inflation. Some people will always be of below average means.

This is a strawman. I have not stated that everyone should be rich, or even that everyone should be well off. I have stated that everyone should be not starving, and not diseased. You can still be well below average and fall into these two categories. Your continual use of logical fallacies indicates that you are not able to actually make an argument. I suggest that you learn to debate before continuing.

I've snipped the rest of your garbage here where you demonstrate that you actually enjoy in the suffering of others.

No, but if you don't support the sewer system, you're doing this dumping at somebody else's expense....and somebody else is dumping at yours.

Why should the person who is upstream of everyone else pay for the sewer system? That's what your argument about health care is after all.

The minimum is a cardboard box in an alley.

A cardboad box in an alley will not prevent you from freezing to death for eight months of the year.

No, that's the excuse that is used to justify the system. These people have family. Friends. Church Groups. Why can't they ask THESE people for help? These people surely care about them. Why can they not get help there?

You are making the fallacious assumption that all people have such support Groups. Your continual use of logical fallacies indicates that you are not able to actually make an argument. I suggest that you learn to debate before continuing.

I've also snipped the remanider of your statements where you continue to do nothing more than parrot your immature "I'm the only one who actually matters" spiel.