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[Norfleet]

Originally posted by Graeme Dice:
Why should the person who is upstream of everyone else pay for the sewer system? That's what your argument about health care is after all.

He's still dumping at everyone else's expense. It's not unfair to ask him to pay up for that. Health care is NOT the same. My being a healthy person, or paying for my own damn treatment, does not, in any way, detract from anyone else's health and well-being.

A cardboad box in an alley will not prevent you from freezing to death for eight months of the year.

Shows how little you know about professional homeless people. They don't freeze for 8 months of the year. They hitchhike to Florida and ride out the winter in warmth, and relative comfort. It's not as if they have moving expenses, cardboard boxes being what they are. I used to be homeless. I lived out of a car. Don't lecture me about how to survive.

You are making the fallacious assumption that all people have such support Groups. Your continual use of logical fallacies indicates that you are not able to actually make an argument. I suggest that you learn to debate before continuing.

So. You have no friends. No family. You can't take care of yourself. You can't be bothered to save for a rainy day, nor get a job. Exactly what is your value, your worth? What do you contribute to society, anyway? If everyone hates you and you can't take care of yourself, maybe you deserve to die. Why do you somehow deserve more than what others are willing to give you of their own free will? Maybe if you had been more involved with the people in your lives, you'd actually HAVE people in your lives. Funny how you should be hearing this from ME, of all people. Maybe if you can't be more independent, you should try to be more social, you know? I feel no pity for someone who can't be bothered to take the steps needed to survive. If someone cannot be bothered to care even for himself, why should I care for him?

[Graeme Dice]

Originally posted by Norfleet:
I am not a "fictional characterization".

Of course you are. You're nothing more than a teenager living in your parents house.

[Norfleet]

Originally posted by Graeme Dice:
No, I haven't. The only reason that a person should have to accept responsibility for things that they haven't personally caused is that you are too greedy to help them.

Or perhaps because *I* am saving my resources so that I do not end up like him. Perhaps because *I* happen to have foresight, and know that all good things come to an end, and someday, I might be just like him....if I do not prepare and save for it. Life is like a sandwich. Some days you eat the sandwich, other days the sandwich eats you.

[Norfleet]

Originally posted by Graeme Dice:
Of course you are. You're nothing more than a teenager living in your parents house.

Meh, you say that, yet I don't see you doing much better. I think this is what we call "projection". Get a job, Graeme. Move out. Once you move out of the pampered world of being a student living in your parents' come, and try going hungry for a bit, you'll understand what I mean.

[ July 28, 2004, 23:12: Message edited by: Norfleet ]

[Graeme Dice]

Originally posted by Norfleet:
Health care is NOT the same. My being a healthy person, or paying for my own damn treatment, does not, in any way, detract from anyone else's health and well-being.

You don't have much of an understanding of economics, do you. If you are not healthy, then you cannot produce economic output.

Shows how little you know about professional homeless people. They don't freeze for 8 months of the year.

No, it shows how ignorant you are of weather in any parts of the world outside of your own narrow little worldview.

If someone cannot be bothered to care even for himself, why should I care for him?

Because a person's life has value simply because of the fact that they are human. If you can't understand this basic fact, then there is no point in continuing this discussion.

[Norfleet]

Originally posted by Cainehill:
Oh, wait a second! I've been out of work for over four months (laid off, Marine and programmer always employed for 22 years straight), I should be supporting Graeme and the welfare state! Yes! Someone should subsidize me for life - after all, if I can't find another tech job, god forbid I should get a job as a rentacop, prison guard, short order cook, or anything else that would be beneath me - it'd be a waste of my talents!

Amen. What a tragedy that would be. Because there's no worse fate than being a rent-a-cop or prison guard, eh? At least it beats "Would You Like Fries With That?". Look, Graeme. Another fictional characterization belonging to a teenager living in his parents' basement is disagreeing with you. Amazing! Or maybe we aren't all like you, you see?

[Graeme Dice]

Originally posted by Norfleet:
[QB]Meh, you say that, yet I don't see you doing much better. I think this is what we call "projection".

No, it's called observation. You haven't demonstrated a great deal of maturity, have no time committments, and have demonstrated that you are still stuck at the ethical level of a child. If you aren't actually a teenager then you definetly lead a sad existence.

Get a job, Graeme. Move out. Once you move out of the pampered world of being a student living in your parents' come, and try going hungry for a bit, you'll understand what I mean.

Why would I go hungry? I'm a graduate engineering student who hasn't lived with or depended on my parents for over six years. I have no debts, pay my bills every month, and could get any number of well-paying jobs if I decided to quit grad school.