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[Graeme Dice]

Originally posted by Norfleet:
[QB]Meh, you say that, yet I don't see you doing much better. I think this is what we call "projection".

No, it's called observation. You haven't demonstrated a great deal of maturity, have no time committments, and have demonstrated that you are still stuck at the ethical level of a child. If you aren't actually a teenager then you definetly lead a sad existence.

Get a job, Graeme. Move out. Once you move out of the pampered world of being a student living in your parents' come, and try going hungry for a bit, you'll understand what I mean.

Why would I go hungry? I'm a graduate engineering student who hasn't lived with or depended on my parents for over six years. I have no debts, pay my bills every month, and could get any number of well-paying jobs if I decided to quit grad school.

[PrinzMegaherz]

Do you guys never sleep or spend your time anywhere else?

[Graeme Dice]

Originally posted by Cainehill:
I've been out of work for over four months (laid off, Marine and programmer always employed for 22 years straight), I should be supporting Graeme and the welfare state!

What welfare state? I wasn't aware that the equivalent of making health insurance mandatory and universal was the equivalent of a welfare state. I'm not supporting a comfortable lifestyle for those people who don't want to work, and suggesting that I am is nothing more than a strawman. I am suggesting that a person should be guaranteed enough resources so that they aren't malnourished, as long as they don't waste those resources on anything that is unnecssary. If they want to waste that money, then yes, let them starve, but at least try and help their children so that they don't end up like their parents.

This is all really beside the real point though, which is that a universal health care system would do a great deal to help people. Many other industrialized nations manage to both spend less per person on health care, while maintaining a better overall quality of care, and still requiring people to cover the majority of the cost themselves in some way.

[Graeme Dice]

Originally posted by PrinzMegaherz:
Do you guys never sleep or spend your time anywhere else?

I'm writing programs that take several minutes to compile, while running simulations that take several hours/days to finish, so I have a fair amount of downtime.

[Norfleet]

Originally posted by Graeme Dice:
You don't have much of an understanding of economics, do you. If you are not healthy, then you cannot produce economic output.

Tough. Think of it as incentive to get better. Never underestimate the power of positive thinking, after all. Besides, you can produce output even while not healthy. It'll just require that you suffer. But you know what? No pain, no gain.

No, it shows how ignorant you are of weather in any parts of the world outside of your own narrow little worldview.

I have travelled far more of the world than you likely have. I am aware that people have legs for a reason: So that when conditions do not suit them, they can get off their fat asses and MOVE. It's not like yours were shot off in the war, like some people I know. Those people deserve my compassion. Those who simply can't be bothered to do something on their own, even though they certainly CAN, don't.

Because a person's life has value simply because of the fact that they are human. If you can't understand this basic fact, then there is no point in continuing this discussion.

I do not see why I should place more value on someone's own life than they place on it themselves. Your life is not worth more to a total stranger than it is to you. People should run their own lives. If somebody feels that running his own life is too burdensome and would rather be someone else's responsibility, maybe he should sell himself into slavery. At least then he will have an owner who will be obligated to protect his investment.

Originally posted by Graeme Dice:
No, it's called observation. You haven't demonstrated a great deal of maturity, have no time committments, and have demonstrated that you are still stuck at the ethical level of a child. If you aren't actually a teenager then you definetly lead a sad existence.

I have no time commitments because I am comfortably and independently retired. Something YOU might wish to aspire to. I have the ethical level of a child? Maybe my ethics don't agree with yours, but I have a clear and consistent code by which I live, and am not a psychotic axe murderer.

Why would I go hungry? I'm a graduate engineering student who hasn't lived with or depended on my parents for over six years. I have no debts, pay my bills every month, and could get any number of well-paying jobs if I decided to quit grad school.

So you've been fortunate your entire life. That puts you in a great position to comment on the misfortunes of others, now doesn't it? I, on the other hand, have been in the position of being UNABLE TO AFFORD said healthcare, food, and lodging. You know what? I SURVIVED. Oddly, you don't see me advocating that this stuff be made available to all at somebody else's expense.

[NTJedi]

Originally posted by Norfleet:
I have no evidence that supports the existence of God, or souls. Assuming that God exists, there's no reason why I should place any real value in what he says, ....

Even if there is only a .0000000001% chance that God does exist is more then enough reason to do what's right or risk burning in Hell eternally.

Originally posted by Norfleet:
Certainly he makes no effort to actually enforce any of this, and even if he did, he'd be nothing more than a bully.

God doesn't stop mankind from doing Evil actions such as killing, suicide or abortion, however mankind is expected to stop Evil. Just because the United States could make prostitution, abortion, suicide and using addictive drugs legal doesn't mean we should accept them as some pro-choice decision for our family and children.

Originally posted by Norfleet:
As for souls, well, as you said yourself, only God truly knows when an entity or organism has a soul, right? Let's stay away from eating animals, too, right? Yeah. I love animals. They taste great.

That's where you turn to the Bible and read where only mankind is referred to as having a soul. When that soul is created is only known by God therefore saying abortion is okay could get someone into big trouble during judgment day.

[Graeme Dice]

Originally posted by Norfleet:
Look, Graeme. Another fictional characterization belonging to a teenager living in his parents' basement is disagreeing with you.

Yes, you are obviously telling the truth when you describe your life.

Apparently you:
Drive a tank throughout the town you live in.
Don't sleep for days at a time.
You'be been shot in the back by people before while not at war.
Believe that if a person can do something that they must have actually done that thing.
You live as a hermit, wear kevlar, and travel while heavily armed.

That such a person exists anywhere outside of a mad max movie strains believability.