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[Stormbinder]

Originally posted by Arryn:

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Originally posted by Stormbinder:
it is materialist position indeed, got to admit it.

No, it is a position derived from cold hard logic. The sort of thing you'd get if you fed the facts into an appropriate (and hopefully bug-free) computer program (or a Vulcan from Star Trek) and asked the program for an evaluation and conclusion. There is no credible evidence that thoughts (and thus existence) are independent of the physical human body. Mildly put, it's wishful thinking to believe otherwise. Bluntly put, it's delusional to believe otherwise.

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I am not arguing with that Arryn. The cold hard logic is very materialistic. And there is nothing wrong with being materialist, I was just playing along with Spike.


As for my personal believes, I can say that I am more or less agnostic, if I have to put a label on myself.

[Arryn]

Originally posted by Stormbinder:
Are you saying that you can not frame object 2.4m x 3m from 30 feets on standart camera with regular-angle lenses???

On further thought, yes you can. You can probably even get the side aspect of the tank in the frame, and not just the front aspect, from 30' away. 30' is pretty far. If I remembered my high school trignometry from 29 years ago better than I do, I could tell you for sure.

[Arryn]

Originally posted by Stormbinder:
As for my personal believes, I can say that I am more or less agnostic, if I have to put a label on myself.

Okay. Then try the following:

The notion that some all-powerful, all-knowing, eternal entity capable of existing outside the laws of the universe would actually deign to care about something as insignificant as humans is arrogance and conceit on the part of such believers.

[spirokeat]

Posted by Arryn the Monist, Functionalist Materialist

No, it is a position derived from cold hard logic. The sort of thing you'd get if you fed the facts into an appropriate (and hopefully bug-free) computer program (or a Vulcan from Star Trek) and asked the program for an evaluation and conclusion. There is no credible evidence that thoughts (and thus existence) are independent of the physical human body. Mildly put, it's wishful thinking to believe otherwise. Bluntly put, it's delusional to believe otherwise.

Materialism albeit compelling still has many difficulties. May I assume by your logic that you are a hard aethiest ?

And my suggestion that sensory input is causal to sensations like pain etc is quite congenial with both dualism and monist spiritualism.

And storm ! its Spirokeat ! as in a mispelling of that critter you get with limes disease. !

[Stormbinder]

Originally posted by Norfleet:

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Originally posted by Stormbinder:
ROLF. Norf, unfortunately for you, I happen to be a military history buff, with particular interesst for WW2 weapons. And what more, my grand-father got a top State Award of the Soviet Union (Stalin's Premium) for designing very different oil filtering system for T34 during WW2. So please, don't tell me about T34 unless you want to show yourself even more stupid that you already did, and make me laugh harder that I am laughing as already.

*golf claps*

Bravo. Good for you. As you can see, it's not too hard to get to one.

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LOL. The point is that you don't have one. You don't even know how big or how small it is, as you just clearly demonstrated. It is just another delusional story that you mumble about, since you think that it fits your "tough" fictional character, if he would be driving around on very own T34. Along the lines of your other stories, like attacking people with LAWS, booby traping your garage with deadly explosives, being shot by misitrious assasins, hiding in nuclear shelter for the Last several years, et cetera...

[spirokeat]

The notion that some all-powerful, all-knowing, eternal entity capable of existing outside the laws of the universe would actually deign to care about something as insignificant as humans is arrogance and conceit on the part of such believers.

To accept that something is omnipotent and omniscient means that unless they explode themselves with logical immpossibilities (big bang maybe??) they know everything and can do everything and could likely place equal consideration to every single atom in the universe with no limit on his unlimited resources.

Spiro

[Arryn]

Originally posted by spirokeat:
Posted by Arryn the Monist, Functionalist Materialist

May I assume by your logic that you are a hard aethiest ?

No, you may not. Nor do I take kindly to the tagline you've ascribed to me.

And storm ! its Spirokeat ! as in a mispelling of that critter you get with limes disease. !

I prefer "Spike", also.

-- Arryn the agnostic and skeptic