Thank you Stormbinder!

[Gandalf Parker]

It seems pretty definate that it was hex-editing of the turn file. Any protection from such rare cheating will cause alot complaints amoung the players. No matter what game you play, there will always be people capable of editing the files for an advantage.

I was under the impression that there was more than enough warnings about Norfleet floating around that noo one should be TOO surprised at all this. I think you should continue enjoying Dom2 and simply be abit more careful who you play with.

[Leif_-]

No matter what game you play, there will always be people capable of editing the files for an advantage.

Chess? :-p

[Agrajag]

Chess? :-p

You can still cheat in chess (when the other guy isnt looking).

[Gandalf Parker]

Chess? :-p

If its the PbEM Version >;-)

[Esben Mose Hansen]

No matter what game you play, there will always be people capable of editing the files for an advantage.

That's not quite true. If the server can be trusted, you can have a cheat-free game. The idea is that

• No information that should not be displayed are sent by the server to the clients
• The clients only sends in the moves --- then the server validates that those moves are legal, and calculates the consequences.

This could have been done with dom2. .That leaves two kinds of "cheating"

• bots
• Better clients (e.g. displaying numbers instead of graphs could be considered more accurate) Easily solved by making the format plain text --- everyone is equal, then.

Neither of which is really that bad in dom2. (In games such as UT2004 those cheats are troublesome, though)

An added advantage would be that AI-bots could have been implemented

[Zapmeister]

It seems pretty definate that it was hex-editing of the turn file. Any protection from such rare cheating will cause alot complaints amoung the players. No matter what game you play, there will always be people capable of editing the files for an advantage.

I was under the impression that there was more than enough warnings about Norfleet floating around that noo one should be TOO surprised at all this. I think you should continue enjoying Dom2 and simply be abit more careful who you play with.

Um, are you saying it's not going to be fixed?

[Zapmeister]

I think you should continue enjoying Dom2 and simply be abit more careful who you play with.

Sure. But "being careful who you play with" can get you accused of narrow-mindedness. Zen had this to say about my ban on Norfleet:

Considering this is coming from someone who 'Banned' Norfleet months ago, I would have to venture a guess that your mind was made up long before any 'proof' or 'hard work' was given. The problem with the bandwagon is it's always ready for more members, on their way to other places.

Sure. But "being careful who you play with" can get you accused of narrow-mindedness. Zen had this to say about my ban on Norfleet:

Correct me if I am wrong, but wasn't the reason you 'Banned' Norfleet was the same reason you Banned VQ's and Clams, and Castling?

You never Banned Norfleet for cheating, at least that was my impression. Otherwise I'm sure this type of discussion would have been had a few weeks ago. Or what is more likely is that you suspected him of cheating, couldn't prove it, so didn't want to play with him to avoid it.

There was a distinctive difference between your 'banning Norfleet' and say, Graeme's refusal to join games/have Norfleet play in games, with him. Graeme's particular method was by far, to my mind, less overzealous and attacking. Even though Graeme and Norfleet had disagreements on a personal and philisophic level.

With your recent adulation and statements, it appears that is just your personality.

[Zapmeister]

Correct me if I am wrong, but wasn't the reason you 'Banned' Norfleet was the same reason you Banned VQ's and Clams, and Castling?

You stand corrected. The reason for the ban was that Norfleet became a person I chose not to play with following the exposure of his dishonest behaviour in a game earlier in the year.

I was being "careful who I played with".

You stand corrected. The reason for the ban was that Norfleet became a person I chose not to play with following the exposure of his dishonest behaviour in a game earlier in the year.

Ah yes the "alternate persona" debacle. Forgive me if I can't keep everything straight as far as reasonings for people to not play with Norfleet, Clams, VQ's, Castles, or others I do stand corrected. While not in my mind a valid reason to ban someone (especially since he was obviously using alternate names it's certainly isn't because he was cheating, though I'm sure that thought crossed your mind.

It sort of goes back to your Dom1 days and going out of control about alliances and such. As far as I'm concerend you can not play with anyone you wouldn't like to, I certainly don't play with people I don't like, but I don't make huge announcements and flame them at every opportunity.