Stacking identical artifacts? - Page 2

Pickles · #11 August 13th, 2004, 04:47 PM

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It is not 100 -50 -50 but 100*0.5*05. And it never ever drops below 1 gem in all paths involved.

Well the forge of the ancients is certanly a seperate halving before the others but a master smith ADDS his bonus to that of the item he is using - 75 % with the hammer of the dwarfen lords for example so this is certainly worth speculating about!

Pickles

(Hmm if only I could get a Cyclops hammer to go with my smiths & hammers & forge)

Boron · #12 August 13th, 2004, 05:02 PM

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It is not 100 -50 -50 but 100*0.5*05. And it never ever drops below 1 gem in all paths involved.

Well the forge of the ancients is certanly a seperate halving before the others but a master smith ADDS his bonus to that of the item he is using - 75 % with the hammer of the dwarfen lords for example so this is certainly worth speculating about!

Pickles

(Boron -just wish a Cyclops Hammer in Blahblahblah & lend it to me...)

would that mean that a nataraja with the cyclops hammer and the hammer of the forge lord ( both 50% ) then gets everything for 1 gem , even soul contracts / robes of invulnerability ?

because from pickles statement it seems to me that forgebonuses are added and then multiplied and only the forge of ancients / site boni for forging are separated .

it would declare perfectly why pickles gets the robes for 10 gems .

if it would be all multiplied it would be 15 , not 10 gems .

sure normally this is not relevant BUT when playing on a faerun game where you can wish excessevely in lategame forging robes of invulnerability for 1 earth gem / turn should matter .

Inigo Montoya · #13 August 13th, 2004, 05:18 PM

You can't have both the Hammer of the Forge Lord and the Hammer of the Cyclops. Try it sometime -- if you wish for one, the other one goes "poof" and disappears.

Two Dwarven Hammers do NOT stack.

Best you can do is Nataraja with Hammer of the Forge Lord/Cyclops Hammer plus a Dwarven Hammer OR Dwarven Smith plus Hammer of the Forge Lord/Cyclops Hammer

Inigo Montoya · #14 August 13th, 2004, 05:19 PM

...and, of course, Forge of the Ancients as a global enchantment to cut your forging costs even further.

johan osterman · #15 August 13th, 2004, 05:25 PM

Im pretty certain it is a multiple of .75 in the cases of smiths as well, applied in the same manner as multiples caused by items or sites.

Merry Jolkar · #16 August 13th, 2004, 06:16 PM

I'm confused here: I have a Hammer of the Cyclops, but regardless of whom I give it to, it does not alter the stated gem cost for a given item.

Also, does forge of the ancients give you the power to make things at a higher level of construction that you have researched?

Thanks,
Merry

Pickles · #17 August 13th, 2004, 06:53 PM

The hammer does not change the stated cost but it does change the actual cost as you can see if you order the forger to make something then check how many gems there are left.

The forge does not increase the level of items you can make. However it increases the effective level of every forger in every path by one. This includes paths they do not have. Eg a Smith becomes F2 E3 w1 a1 s1 b1 n1 d1 for forging. Note this spell requires L7 consttruction so there is only L8 to get after anyway.

I think it may be broken or at least breakable but is immense fun until the joy of forging 20+ items a turn wears off. Good one to dispel as soon as you see it.

Pickles

deccan · #18 August 13th, 2004, 08:08 PM

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The forge does not increase the level of items you can make. However it increases the effective level of every forger in every path by one. This includes paths they do not have. Eg a Smith becomes F2 E3 w1 a1 s1 b1 n1 d1 for forging. Note this spell requires L7 consttruction so there is only L8 to get after anyway.

Thanks! I knew I could make more things with it in effect but I didn't how exactly that worked.

tinkthank · #19 August 14th, 2004, 07:14 AM

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It is not 100 -50 -50 but 100*0.5*05. And it never ever drops below 1 gem in all paths involved.

Johann, I love you and want to have your babies, but this is incorrect. I have posted before detailing how you can forge for free. (Unfortunately, the current forum searching function has caused me to give up after about 15 minutes of careful rephrasing.)
You can forge items for 0 gems under certain circumstances, and you dont even need a Smith for it. (Steel Ovens or similar, FotA, Hammer will do.)

johan osterman · #20 August 14th, 2004, 08:35 AM

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It is not 100 -50 -50 but 100*0.5*05. And it never ever drops below 1 gem in all paths involved.

Johann, I love you and want to have your babies, but this is incorrect. I have posted before detailing how you can forge for free. (Unfortunately, the current forum searching function has caused me to give up after about 15 minutes of careful rephrasing.)
You can forge items for 0 gems under certain circumstances, and you dont even need a Smith for it. (Steel Ovens or similar, FotA, Hammer will do.)

I love you to thinktank, but in a butch and entirely platonic way. Ok, on the forging. Now that you mention it I have a vague recollection of the thread you refer to as well.