Dominion Vs Military

[Pickles]

magnate said
"I disagree with Pickles"

No you don't . Building lots of temples is irrelevant in SP as the AI does not defend his or preach much. So your dominion will spread for free - especially if set at 9+. And its benefits are the same in SP - at least offensively - the AI will never try to squeeze you or spam immortals etc.

I am not sure why your summoned commanders get more HP in dominion either are you sure? (hot things like hot better etc but more HP?)

Pickles

[Boron]

Pickles said:
magnate said
"I disagree with Pickles"

No you don't . Building lots of temples is irrelevant in SP as the AI does not defend his or preach much. So your dominion will spread for free - especially if set at 9+. And its benefits are the same in SP - at least offensively - the AI will never try to squeeze you or spam immortals etc.

I am not sure why your summoned commanders get more HP in dominion either are you sure? (hot things like hot better etc but more HP?)

Pickles

i think magnate means together with GoH because it works only in friendly dominion

[Arryn]

Pickles said:
Building lots of temples is irrelevant in SP as the AI does not defend his or preach much. So your dominion will spread for free - especially if set at 9+. And its benefits are the same in SP - at least offensively - the AI will never try to squeeze you

1. The AI doesn't preach (or preach much) because it doesn't need to. The AI spams temple-building instead.

2. Your dominion will not spread for 'free'. Dominion spreads outwards a maximum of two provinces away from dominion sources (temples, prophet, pretender). So you need to have temples strategically placed to act as centers for that spread. Having more temples than the minimum needed to blanket your nation will boost the spread of dominion faster.

3. The AI *will* try to squeeze you with dominion. As I said in #1 above, the AI builds lots of temples. It does not attempt, deliberately, to kill you via dominion, but it might do so incidentally if you take no steps to counter it.

4. The AI does not defend its temples with castles as many humans do, but as a general rule it does keep non-PD garrisons in provinces with temples. It does not always do so, but it does often enough that you cannot assume that temple provinces will be nearly-free pickings.

[Nagot Gick Fel]

Arryn said:
2. Your dominion will not spread for 'free'. Dominion spreads outwards a maximum of two provinces away from dominion sources (temples, prophet, pretender).

I don't know who told you that, but next time you meet this person don't forget to tell him there's no such limit.

[Arryn]

Nagot Gick Fel said:

I don't know who told you that, but next time you meet this person don't forget to tell him there's no such limit.

It's in Ceremony's dominion .PDF, in the description of the spread of dominion due to "temple checks". Nowhere in the document does it describe a cascading dominion spread that you claim can happen (which is the only way for dominion to spread 2+ provinces away from a dominion source). Until the devs say otherwise, I'll take Ceremony's word on the mechanism.

Oh, and I miswrote my post. The maximum is 1 away (ie: adjacent), not 2. I was mistakenly including the source province in the radius.

[Nagot Gick Fel]

Arryn said:
Until the devs say otherwise, I'll take Ceremony's word on the mechanism.

It takes 5 minutes to test. I'm contemplating a game where I just sat on my capital and force-generated 100 turns, and I can see my dominion up to 11 provinces away.

[Cainehill]

Arryn said:
2. Your dominion will not spread for 'free'. Dominion spreads outwards a maximum of one province away from dominion sources (temples, prophet, pretender).

Ouch. So, all the temples I built in back provinces in several games are useless, except for raising the max dominion push of the pretender and prophet?

[Arryn]

Cainehill said:
Ouch. So, all the temples I built in back provinces in several games are useless, except for raising the max dominion push of the pretender and prophet?

If what Nagot says is true (and I see no reason to doubt his veracity), then Ceremony's doc is in serious need of amending, and those of us who've relied upon it for the conduct of our campaigns may have wasted a great deal of time and wealth. Contrary to the doc, if a province's dominion "fills up", it will continue to spill over into successive provinces ad infinitum, in an expanding ripple, without the need for a "temple check" in that, or a directly-adjacent, province. This is the best way to explain dominion spread as Nagot is asserting. The only other way, that of the game checking for dominion push from a source out to *all* provinces, for each and every check, makes even less sense and would eat up enormous amounts of CPU time.

[deccan]

Maybe dominion generated by temples is handled differently than that generated by pretenders / prophets. Unlikely, but possible.

I can attest that in SP games on large maps my dominion can go a long, long way until it "hits" a wall of black candles and then stops.

[Nagot Gick Fel]

Arryn said:
...if a province's dominion "fills up", it will continue to spill over into successive provinces ad infinitum, in an expanding ripple,

There's no need for adjacent provinces to completely fill up for your dominion to expand further. In the aforementioned testbed after 100 turns, although my capital and the surrounding provinces had reached max dominion (10), it was only about 5-6 average 4 provinces away. Interestingly enough, the farthest province (11 away from the capital) showed a dominion of 2, while it connected to my 'dominion area' thru provinces where the dominion was only 1.

without the need for a "temple check" in that, or a directly-adjacent, province. This is the best way to explain dominion spread as Nagot is asserting.

FYI, I made a similar testbed with 2 nations, one (let's call it A) had a dominion of 10, the other (B) had a dominion of 8 + 9 extra temples (so 10 temples with one in the capital, ie an effective dominion of 10). I placed the capitals in opposite corners on a large map. Both dominions spreaded at a steady rate, with B spreading marginally faster. When the 2 dominions came into contact, B started to overrun A, and slowly pushed it back to its capital. At the time I stopped the experiment (after 100s of turns), B's dominion was about 10+ times as big as A's.

I have to say I ran this testbed in the early days of Dom:PPP, but from what I've seen I don't think the mechanics of dominion spread have changed, so I believe you could get similar results if you conduct the same experiment in Dom 2.