2004 Presidential Election.

PvK · #1 August 17th, 2004, 07:42 PM

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Imperator Fyron said:
You forgot the Libertarians. :P

Absolutely.

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Also, I just submitted a vote for everyone... You need only one question with 4 options, not 4 questions with 1 option each.

Actually, it's the tyrranical US voting system that is wrong here. If only we could vote for all the candidates we liked, and not only for the one we thought might beat the candidate we dread.

PvK

Ed Kolis · #2 August 17th, 2004, 10:19 PM

Bin Laden for president... he's done more to change the US than any other person alive [img]/threads/images/Graemlins/crazy.gif[/img]

Gandalf Parker · #3 August 18th, 2004, 01:07 AM

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Actually, it's the tyrranical US voting system that is wrong here. If only we could vote for all the candidates we liked, and not only for the one we thought might beat the candidate we dread.

PvK

Yeah we send 51 to the USA Beauty Pageant, and 2 or 3 for Presient? Its insane. Every state should send someone, dressed in some outfit representing their state.

FLX · #4 August 18th, 2004, 07:42 AM

I'm starting to think that you really deserve watherver happens to you. Think before voting, that's all. You live in a war/fear-of-war based economy, doing what you want, not signing any treaty that could make this a little fairer (i.e. the nuclear dissarming, the Kyoto protocols, etc...). Not Kerry nor Bush will improve this situation, i'm sure. Keeping growing hate amongst everybody else is dangerous. An old spanish proverb says: Breed crows and they will rip your eyes.

Randallw · #5 August 18th, 2004, 09:08 AM

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[b] An old spanish proverb says: Breed crows and they will rip your eyes.

that is a strange proverb. I could understand "Breed wolves" but Cows?.

Gozra · #6 August 18th, 2004, 09:51 AM

I am reading A history of the American Navy in WWII. Mahan's I believe. I was stunned by the preface. My Wife and I visited the Battleship North Carolin in Wilimington North Carolina I remember telling her That For a Battleship with 16 inch guns it was really a small ship. The in the preface Of the Navy history book I am reading it pointed out that prior to WWII the Peace activists put pressure on The US to sign treaties with the other big powers to limit the size and makeup of the navies then being built. Well many of the other Countries proceeded to 'Cheat'(the US did not) So when WWII broke out the US had the wimpiest fleet because The 'Be nice at all cost' crowd had succeeded in tying the hands of the US navy.
What I think this boils down to is subscribing to the view that everyone will do what is best for everyone else will just get you kicked in the teeth and stomped on. IT has been made abundantly clear that there are people/organizations that intend to destroy The US and Freedom.
And yes we could have a better system that the 2 party system And I hate voting against someone as I would rather be voting for someone. At any rate I am going to hold my nose and vote for Bush.

Unknown_Enemy · #7 August 18th, 2004, 11:07 AM

I just hope Bush will get thrown out as his father so I'll be able to keep saying "I love USA" without getting a bashing.

**running the hell out of the thread before the flamewar***

Shane Watson · #8 August 18th, 2004, 11:17 AM

Everything you need to know to make up your mind about the election is here:
http://www.jibjab.com/default.asp

Cheers,
~S

Atrocities · #9 August 18th, 2004, 06:03 PM

Bush's tax cuts are what stalled the lay offs in my area. My old company has even stated that if not for the tax cuts they would have closed their doors. And here comes Kerry with his TAX increases and people think he is the greatest thing to walk on water since GOD.

He is a liar, a backstabbing MF, and to top it all off, he VOTED to cut the funding of the CIA, FBI, and NSA following the first attack on the trade center. And now he says what happened on 9-11 was all Bushes fault? Please.

He blames the economy in the US on Bush, when it was Bush who inheritied Clintons economy which started to go down hill in 97 after he opened the flood gates for free trade with China. A note to all you kiddies, China makes things a lot cheaper than we can here in the US, and they flooded our markets with their inferior products and swamped many business right out of business. And then we still have the NAFT problem that Clinton signed in.

No, I think it is best that we keep BUSH for another four yeats in order to KEEP what little jobs we do have and grow more.

Renegade 13 · #10 August 18th, 2004, 12:53 PM

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Gozra said:
IT has been made abundantly clear that there are people/organizations that intend to destroy The US and Freedom.

Two points:

1. It isn't really the US that those people/organizations are attacking, its the entire western philosophy and civilization. The US is only attacked more than other western countries due to its increased influence, and the fact that it is the epitome of what those anti-Western people hate. There are in fact other countries threatened by terrorists, such as Britain, Canada, and any other western country.

2. You mentioned "The US and Freedom" as though they were inseparable concepts, as though the US is the only "free" country. It is not, and Freedom could exist without the US, and the US could exist without freedom. They are not mutually exclusive. As a matter of fact, with some of the laws that have been enacted in the US, such as the Patriot Act (that's what its called isn't it?), I'd say that Canada is much more a "free" country than the US is now.

I'm not intending to step on any toes here, or offend anyone, I just felt I had to state my opinion. Note that it is NOT anti-US. Thanks.