2004 Presidential Election.

[Instar]

Gozra said:
I am reading A history of the American Navy in WWII. Mahan's I believe. I was stunned by the preface. My Wife and I visited the Battleship North Carolin in Wilimington North Carolina I remember telling her That For a Battleship with 16 inch guns it was really a small ship. The in the preface Of the Navy history book I am reading it pointed out that prior to WWII the Peace activists put pressure on The US to sign treaties with the other big powers to limit the size and makeup of the navies then being built. Well many of the other Countries proceeded to 'Cheat'(the US did not) So when WWII broke out the US had the wimpiest fleet because The 'Be nice at all cost' crowd had succeeded in tying the hands of the US navy.
What I think this boils down to is subscribing to the view that everyone will do what is best for everyone else will just get you kicked in the teeth and stomped on.

The truth of the matter is that the US got the good end of the treaty. The ratio was like for every 2 tons Japan got, the US got 5 tons. Britain and France got 4 or 5 as well. More info:
http://www.wordiq.com/definition/Was...n_Naval_Treaty

The treaty was signed in 1922, and was probably ignored by everyone by the late 1930s. In fact, the treaty was ended in 1936, leaving enough time for all navies involved to grow.

Oh, and I voted Kerry (absentee ballot) because all of Bush's positions are immoral and I disagree with all of his positions.

[Gandalf Parker]

Instar said:
Oh, and I voted Kerry (absentee ballot) because all of Bush's positions are immoral and I disagree with all of his positions.

Im happy to say that I have listened to most of the presidential candidates, particularly Bush and Kerry of course. I have been swayed most by things said by Bush. (not to vote for him)

[Phoenix-D]

FLX said:
I'm starting to think that you really deserve watherver happens to you. Think before voting, that's all. You live in a war/fear-of-war based economy, doing what you want, not signing any treaty that could make this a little fairer (i.e. the nuclear dissarming, the Kyoto protocols, etc...). Not Kerry nor Bush will improve this situation, i'm sure. Keeping growing hate amongst everybody else is dangerous. An old spanish proverb says: Breed crows and they will rip your eyes.

The Kyoto protocol was fatally flawed. To whit- it claimed to be purely about the enviroment, but it didn't tie the hands of everyone equally. Pollution is pollution, the place of origin makes little difference..

Several other treaties are the same way; they have more to do with "[censored] the US" then their stated goals. Not unlike the bills in congress that have one title and some action on that, then 50 completely unrelated sections; the unrelated bits are stuffed in because they would never pass on their own -and- if your opponent votes against them you can say he voted against, say, cracking down on child exploitation.