2004 Presidential Election.

[Gandalf Parker]

Atrocities said:
"trying to use Vietnam and service in order to get himself re-elected. That is not an act of leadership, that is an act of shame and cowardice.” - J F Kerry

(What was once considered as cowardice by Kerry has become his crown jewel for election.)

Im not seeing that. Ive only seen Kerry mention his service in response to comments. (btw I am a vietnam vet)

What we saw around here starting in 96 was a slow down of our economy. My employer at the time was the world’s largest supplier of its product, and the third largest employer in the county.

Sorry about that. I can understand your position on that. Its nice to see someone actually speak of personal reasons rather than just repeat the "things are this way" media facts.

What I saw was that when Clinton started running for pres the subjects were all about the embarassing federal deficit and whether Russia would bomb us in our sleep. During Clinton my fears went away.

I know it common to say that everything good was done by my guys and everything bad by the other guy. But Clinton pulled 2 terms so I think he must have had something to do with some of the good changes.

I cannot speak for other parts of the nation, but I do know that if Kerry is elected, the situation will go from bad to worse.

Maybe. But what I see around here is impacts of Bushes actions. Even with a low work force (one of the hardest hit by reserves on duty) we have a low job market. I didnt really want a tax break which I guess is a good thing since I havent seen one either.

Remember we are in the economic quick sand because of Clinton’s economic policies and Kerry going around saying its all Bush's fault is a bold face lie.

Remember? Quicksand? I know the repubs are big on shaking things up so that some go up while others go down, but I would have been happy with things staying as they were.

Bush had no control over the events of 9-11 that tanked our economy horribly.

Do you really feel that the 9-11 incident did major damage to our economy? I thought that after 9-11 we were sending a laughing message because it DIDNT do what the terrorists had hoped. It was only after we started the Iraq police-action that I saw economic impact.

Please consider that Kerry will say and promise anything to get elected. Bush has done what he said he is going to do and if we give him the time to finish the job, another four years, I think we will all be a hell of a lot better off.

Well that says it pretty clear. Kerry can do little in 4 compared to what Bush can accomplish by carrying thru for 8. Im not thrilled with Kerry (Im not a democray or a republican) but I really dont want another 4 with Bush.

And remember, Arnold inherited a bankrupt state. A state put into bankruptcy by Democrats.

A state which went bankrupt while Dems were in office. Not necessairly by Dem policies. Arnold inherited a balance budget then made changes Im not thrilled with.

For me it is a clear choice, if I want to keep what little I have now, I must vote republican acrossed the board. Under Clinton I lost money, rights, control, and freedoms. Under Bush I have lost nothing and have even gained some.

Sounds like you have made rational decisions for rational reasons. And you do seem to have clear ideas about the difference between the two parties. Of course I wouldnt use those words to describe it all but symantics is just a propoganda tool. You logic and reasons seem sounder than most Ive talked to.

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Democrats say give us your money and your problems.
Republicans say keep your money and your problems.

--     Its easy to understand.
Under the Democrats we will be the Federation.
Under the Republicans we will be the Ferrengi.

[Atrocities]

Thank you GP for being so polite.

Im not seeing that. Ive only seen Kerry mention his service in response to comments. (btw I am a vietnam vet)

So is my father, and he is voting for Bush as well. His reason is that he does not trust a man who claims he is a war hero when he is not. My Grandfather, who is a war hero, and he is angerier than hell over Kerry's claim that he is one. Needless to say, he too is voting Republican this year.

Sorry about that. I can understand your position on that. Its nice to see someone actually speak of personal reasons rather than just repeat the "things are this way" media facts.

What I saw was that when Clinton started running for pres the subjects were all about the embarassing federal deficit and whether Russia would bomb us in our sleep. During Clinton my fears went away.

I know it common to say that everything good was done by my guys and everything bad by the other guy. But Clinton pulled 2 terms so I think he must have had something to do with some of the good changes.

Speaking of fears, under Clinton I had many. First his tax increase that took from me a hell of a lot of money that I never got back and could have used. Then his gun grab policies that made running my business very difficult for no reason. Under Clinton I saw our military weakend and our world wide reputation damaged. Under Clinton the office of the President became a joke. Under Clinton, we saw our economies future sold to the Chinese for re-election.

Clinton my have pulled two terms, but that says nothing about him other than he had the money to pull it off. To be honest, he was relected because of his economic teflon shield that he (1) inheretited from Regan / Bush, and (2) didn't fail him until mid 1996 when the economy started to crumble.

Maybe. But what I see around here is impacts of Bushes actions. Even with a low work force (one of the hardest hit by reserves on duty) we have a low job market. I didnt really want a tax break which I guess is a good thing since I havent seen one either.

We all are feeling this GP. But again other than the reservest being called to active duty, this is not Bushes fault. The economy started to tank in 96, and the events of 9-11 did not help.

Remember? Quicksand? I know the repubs are big on shaking things up so that some go up while others go down, but I would have been happy with things staying as they were.

I think we all would have been happier that way, but they were forced into change by Clintons economic policies and the events of 9-11.

Do you really feel that the 9-11 incident did major damage to our economy? I thought that after 9-11 we were sending a laughing message because it DIDNT do what the terrorists had hoped. It was only after we started the Iraq police-action that I saw economic impact.

The effects of 9-11 on our economy can not be ignored now. It did have a major adverse effect on our economy.

Well that says it pretty clear. Kerry can do little in 4 compared to what Bush can accomplish by carrying thru for 8. Im not thrilled with Kerry (Im not a democray or a republican) but I really dont want another 4 with Bush.

One of the reasons I dislike Kerry is because he has been a senator for how long, and has done little and accomplished nothing other than to vote for budge cuts for the CIA, FBI, NSA, and the military. Now he sits back and lies about it when his voting record clearly shows the truth.

A state which went bankrupt while Dems were in office. Not necessairly by Dem policies. Arnold inherited a balance budget then made changes Im not thrilled with.

Well I cannot speak to this, he is not my Govenor. Good luck.

Sounds like you have made rational decisions for rational reasons. And you do seem to have clear ideas about the difference between the two parties. Of course I wouldnt use those words to describe it all but symantics is just a propoganda tool. You logic and reasons seem sounder than most Ive talked to.

Thank you. I know that no matter what happens, the US will still be here in four years, and we get to do this all over again. Lets just hope that things are better then than they are now.