Poll: morale and routing

[Boron]

i have made so many arguments now why there should be upkeep cost for summons .

can anyone of you give me 1 conclusive argument why summons + national troops should be treated different upkeep wise or why the current upkeep system of dominions is fair ?

[archaeolept]

its boring and makes no sense to charge summons upkeep.

neither is it necessary, nor would it solve any fundamental problems, as conventionaly troops would still be as underpowered (when they are, which is usually).

cohen though is an expert

quoted for emphasis, or perhaps hilarity ;-)

I do generally agree that conventional troops lose their potency too quickly and too easily. Making SC's somewhat less efficient would be the route I would take - for instance, lowering the lifestealing effect for items/spells.

[Gandalf Parker]

Boron said:
i have made so many arguments now why there should be upkeep cost for summons .

can anyone of you give me 1 conclusive argument why summons + national troops should be treated different upkeep wise or why the current upkeep system of dominions is fair ?

Summons and national troops are different.
Much of your discussion is based on personal opinion.
As in many threads Ive seen, Illwinter made a response early on. No matter how much discussion has followed, I would consider that to be the response until you hear otherwise.
How many responses do you need?

[Arryn]

Gandalf Parker said:
As in many threads Ive seen, Illwinter made a response early on. No matter how much discussion has followed, I would consider that to be the response until you hear otherwise.
How many responses do you need?

Thank you.

[Boron]

Gandalf Parker said:

Summons and national troops are different.
Much of your discussion is based on personal opinion.
As in many threads Ive seen, Illwinter made a response early on. No matter how much discussion has followed, I would consider that to be the response until you hear otherwise.
How many responses do you need?

when johan posted i haven't posted my best / most convincing arguments myself .

and so far illwinter has fixed balance issues like the vq .

so i do my continious posting with the hope to convince johan or kristoffer that my idea is good and at least considerable for dominions 3 .

[Arryn]

Boron said:
when johan posted i haven't posted my best / most convincing arguments myself .

And you still haven't, since you've yet to effectively counter any of the Posts that various people have made explaining to you why you're mistaken in your opinions.

Boron said:
so i do my continious posting with the hope to convince johan or kristoffer that my idea is good and at least considerable for dominions 3 .

Johan has already stated that they disagree with you. All that continued posting will do is annoy them (and waste their time). The game has other, important issues to be addressed. Let them do so, and cease badgering them about something that isn't broken.

[Boron]

so far only you continue arguing against me though .

2 possible explanations :
-either all others got bored or just think i tell nonsense and gave up because they think it is impossible to convince me .

-or most start to see that my argument about upkeep is good and they see that there are no things that speak against .


probably it is explantion 1 but hope dies always Last

the closest game to dominions which is of the same genre and about the same age is age of wonders 2 shadow magic .

1 months ago i would have rated dominions clearly better than aow 2 sm . but that is perhaps because i overplayed aow 2 sm .
now i would say they are about equal . dominions is overall better but aow 2 is a bit more balanced .


this is still a big praise on johan and kristoffer . aow 2 had most likely a far bigger budget and at least 20 ppl working at it .

no matter which system is included in dominions 3 i buy it anyways 100% sure .
i just hoped to at least show that upkeep for all would have advantages too compared to the current system .


i hear almost everybody complaining that lategame is boring . perhaps this is because of the upkeep issue .


but since i like playing a game with 8-10 players most this forces you to go to a map with at least 200 provinces to have a nice game imo
with 200 provinces if i survive until lategame though it is reduced to who has a bigger gem income and who uses them better .

but since variety is always good and i know no other game with a upkeep approach as dominions i stop this now and thank illwinter once again for making one of the best games i know
that i put so much effort in my postings shows only how i concern about this game and how much i like it already.
my suggestion was still just a minor detail change imo

[Thufir]

Boron said:
probably it is explantion 1 but hope dies always Last

And you, Boron, are a very hopeful man!

[Boron]

Thufir said:

And you, Boron, are a very hopeful man!

its still the innocence of being young i guess

[Arryn]

Boron said:
so far only you continue arguing against me though .

I'm more stubborn than most. My greater age just makes it worse. If there was truly wisdom with age, I'd've given up trying to make you see reason long ago.

Boron said:
-either all others got bored or just think i tell nonsense and gave up because they think it is impossible to convince me .

The slice from Occam's Razor yields this cut.