A question on Atlantis

[Boron]

Graeme you neglected that both cast quickness and watershield which both increase defense .

So both have to fight against a 10-15 higher def with their attack Ratings but the ice devil has 5 def more than the waterqueen .

I just posted so vague numbers because i don't remember exactly how many points extradef you get from quickness and from watershield .

I am tired today ( it is 3 a.m. here ) but tomorrow i will make a quicktest to get the correct numbers for watershield + quickness def and then i post it with statistics .
If you remember them already plz be so kind and post them

[Yossar]

Are you forgetting that Water Queens regenerate 90% of their hps per round? That and the ability to equip a herald lance for triple damage against the demonic ice devil is a huge advantage.

[Arryn]

Yossar said:
Are you forgetting that Water Queens regenerate 90% of their hps per round?

Yes. Of course. It's what happens when someone makes comparisons based on pet theories (and flawed ones at that) instead of one's own practical, actual gameplay experience (or at the very least least, the experiences reported by reliable/knowledgeable players). Graeme (and you, and others) have been pointing this out for a while.

Those that insist that Atlantis is "weak" have either never played the nation, or don't understand how to play it (and thus play it poorly/ineffectively).

[tka]

Boron said:
Graeme you neglected that both cast quickness and watershield which both increase defense .

So both have to fight against a 10-15 higher def with their attack Ratings but the ice devil has 5 def more than the waterqueen .

I just posted so vague numbers because i don't remember exactly how many points extradef you get from quickness and from watershield .

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Quickness gives +3 def and Water Shield +5.

Ice Devil suffers -3 to Attack and Defence and it also suffers +3 penalty to Encumbrance when fighting underwater.

Equiped Water Queen beats equally equiped ID without any problems.

[Boron]

tka said:
Quickness gives +3 def and Water Shield +5.

Ice Devil suffers -3 to Attack and Defence and it also suffers +3 penalty to Encumbrance when fighting underwater.

Equiped Water Queen beats equally equiped ID without any problems.

Does he really get -3 to Attack + Defence ?
And if that is so can you "cure" it with a waterbreathing item ?

[tka]

Boron said:

Does he really get -3 to Attack + Defence ?
And if that is so can you "cure" it with a waterbreathing item ?

Don't know if I understod you correctly but I ment skill 20 - underwater penalty 3 = 17. Forgive my not so good English.

Ring of Water Breathing doesn't cure it IIRC.

[Boron]

Your english is good tka

I was just surprised because i never read from underwater penalty like you mentioned
Is there something similiar for aquatic creatures like the water queen when she goes on land with amulet of the fish too ?

[tka]

Thanks!

Nope, aquatics don't get any penalties with fish amulet. (Except that lost misc slot.)

[Boron]

So you were right (again) graeme but at least it was a good learning experience for me (again)

Why didn't you mention yourself the water penalty though ?


Now i ask the other way round : Which Sc can beat a waterqueen underwater ?
None ?

[Yossar]

Not much should be able to beat her 1 on 1 underwater. That's why she's queen of the water. You just need a collection of units/mages that can do enough damage in one round to kill her or kill her with a single spell.