I think I now understand Cohen

[Graeme Dice]

Zapmeister said:
I cannot respond in similar fashion. I don't have SCs as tough as his, and I don't have the Vans, or any equivalent.

I thought you had tartarian titans? Those with a wraith sword, jade armour, skullcap, flying boots, luck pendant and lightning ring should fatigue out an air queen even if they don't break her mirror images.

[Zapmeister]

Graeme Dice said:

I thought you had tartarian titans? Those with a wraith sword, jade armour, skullcap, flying boots, luck pendant and lightning ring should fatigue out an air queen even if they don't break her mirror images.

Righto, I can try that. Unless you want to

[Zapmeister]

I've just been reading bugthreads and whatnot where it looks like a major demoralizing (for me) event in this game has been reported. The SC I've had the most trouble with should have routed and died through lack of retreat space, but instead fought on to victory.

I'm just thinking what a huge difference it would have made to my morale if that battle had resolved as it should have, under the common understanding of how the rout rules work.

[archaeolept]

omg i've lost pretenders left and right due to bizarre rout rules. that's just part of the game as presently constituted. We don't know why she didn't rout - it looks to me like you're just trying to come up w/ some rationalization, talking about how a battle "should have" resolved...

no one i play with understands how routing really works in all situations; as such, there is no "common understanding". Perhaps in that situation, her 30 morale prevented the rout.

hopefully you can find someone to sub for you if you so much hate playing.

and no other player has quit w/out being totally defeated. Arcos quit w/, what, one or two territories left? same pretty well w/ the jots. You are still a major player - certainly stronger than rlyeh or marignon.

[Zapmeister]

archaeolept said:
We don't know why she didn't rout - it looks to me like you're just trying to come up w/ some rationalization, talking about how a battle "should have" resolved...

Yes, I can see that my comment must have sounded like I was making excuses for losing. That was not my intention. I played badly and, as a result, I've lost. No question about that.

And yes, I plan to withdraw from Dom altogether, over the next few weeks.

[The Panther]

I have to agree with Cainehill (gasp!) on this one.

In Schmork's Ye Olde Game, here is the exact house rules:
'good clean fun: no quitters, no house rules, 48h-quick'

So, I build up, biding my time until I am ready to take out Cainehill (Caelum). I enlist my neighbor, Kinky Imp as Marignon, with whom I have had an agreement all game, to help me in this. Marignon casts his gaze northward, seeing splendid provinces in his eyes for the taking. I even agree to attack first, draw Cainehill's arimes towards me and let my ally attack two turns later to smack Cainehill in the behind.

So, guess what happens? The very move my 'ally' is supposed to attack our mutual enemy, he suddenly quits without ANY warning at all. He sends an in-game message to me, saying he was sorry. He also sends me some gold and gems, as if this makes up for his sudden quitting. Of course, the next turn I receive a message from the AI saying it has decided to eliminate my sorry a$$. So it invades me along my totally unprotected border with a bunch of knights of the chalice under command of his prophet casting mass bless.

Meanwhile, Cainehill is not any easy pushover by any stretch of the imagination. And my nice, well planned 2 on 1 becomes a chaotic 1 on 2.

So, don't get me started on this deal about people who join 'no quitters' games and then quit. I am just not in the mood for it!

[Zapmeister]

The Panther said:
So, guess what happens? The very move my 'ally' is supposed to attack our mutual enemy, he suddenly quits without ANY warning at all. He sends an in-game message to me, saying he was sorry.

Fair enough, but that's not what I'm doing.

[archaeolept]

actually worse, given that you've previously threatened to "throw the game", first to storm, and now, for instance if you follow Lintman's horrible advice, maybe to someone else.

frankly, we all invest a lot of time in these games for some entertainment, and because the game is so fascinating. to have it end w/ someone, say, throwing the game or giving all their stuff to another player who is already a top contender or such like, would be horrible. i'd likely just quit and know whom not to play w/ in future games.