Curious :Lategame questions. I never was so far :(

Cainehill · #1 September 16th, 2004, 03:19 AM

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Boron said:
But nations like pythium don't require a rainbow pretender while e.g. man should have otherwise it finds only the air + nature sites.

You must not be very effective at site searching if you only use your pretender to look for sites that your national mages don't have immediately. Take your mages that have their randoms in a path you want and have them site search.

Not to mention that Man and Pangaea (as nature nations) can always summon Lamia Queens for some randoms. If you pick a nation that doesn't have randoms (Ulm or New Age Pangaea, for instance) then you would be well advised to craft a pretender accordingly : #1, magic paths that complement your nation's hard-coded magic, and #2, at least one of the following : death, nature, or astral. Any of those three give you the long term potential to find all magic sites.

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Boron · #2 September 16th, 2004, 08:13 AM

Yeah i said you can always use a rainbow . But hey this is expensive and the pretender can only search 1 province every 2 turns .

If you search with those 1 point randoms first it takes you a very long time to get them and second you find only lvl 1 sites this way . And your research is hurt if you search this way .

At least with my special no-rush setting i have in mind Pythium accashicing everything should have his gemincome earlier than other nations . And they could take rather good scales this way or a strong SC pretender .

Cainehill · #3 September 16th, 2004, 12:34 PM

No, you could use a sturdy half-rainbow. One with, say, 3 paths the nation doesn't get, each at least level 3. It travels with an army of conquest, meaning that it 'wastes' every other turn searching, but the other turn is conquering a province.

This also gives the benefit of being able to forge path-increasing items, so when you get a random in the appropriate area, you can forge something to take the mage to ?2, which lets it cast the site-searching spells. (Actually, a single random in Astral or Death covers those paths.)

And frankly, this line of instruction came about because you said, "Man only finds the air and nature sites".

Boron · #4 September 16th, 2004, 12:41 PM

I know Caine that you can do this but Pythium can e.g. just Accashic . Blood hunt nations can start searching later and begin with forging soul contracts instead .

Man has severe problems doing all these things .
It is of course possible but you should never reach Pythium's gem income .

Huzurdaddi · #5 September 16th, 2004, 01:56 PM

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It is of course possible but you should never reach Pythium's gem income .

You make it sound like Acashic Record is free or something. It's freaking expensive 25 astrals is a lot of gems.

I'm playing with Pythium in a game with you and let me tell you I would love to cast Acashic Record but it's just very expensive!

Cohen · #6 September 16th, 2004, 02:15 PM

It's right 25 Pearls.
For all the 8 paths you'll spend 15 gems and 2 slaves. And usually you lack of some king of magic to site search via magic and you've to waste time sending your random pick guys to site search for 1st tier magic sites.
Then you use 8 mages, so on 8 research/forging/battle round wasted for that/those mage/s.
Then you don't site search for Holy and Unholy sites, but they're so few that usually they're not so important. (however having the luck to find tha undead burning site in a chokepoint of your borderline with Ermor is useful but it works even if you don't discover it).

Boron · #7 September 16th, 2004, 02:20 PM

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Cohen said:
It's right 25 Pearls.
For all the 8 paths you'll spend 15 gems and 2 slaves. And usually you lack of some king of magic to site search via magic and you've to waste time sending your random pick guys to site search for 1st tier magic sites.
Then you use 8 mages, so on 8 research/forging/battle round wasted for that/those mage/s.
Then you don't site search for Holy and Unholy sites, but they're so few that usually they're not so important. (however having the luck to find tha undead burning site in a chokepoint of your borderline with Ermor is useful but it works even if you don't discover it).

Yeah exactly my reasoning

The only nation with which this works ok is though pythium and to a much lesser degree with arco / ryleh / tien chi .
You need to be lucky but when you start in the provinces with landscape that gives better sitefind chances it normally really works .
If you are really lucky you already have an archtheurg who can forge clams so you have +1-5 extra astralincome furthermore