I suck with Pythium ... please help!

[Cohen]

Well Caelum with 100 gold mages and A2W1 are damn good, and Arch Seraphs aren't capitol only.
How can you compete.
Pithium too has cheap Theurg for what they obtain (150 gold for S2 A W H3, sacred).

False Horror IMO should have more fatigue and/or be A2. (like 20 or 30 fatigue). And no fear aura.
Repel is almost useless cause of etherealness, the auras like the abysyan one doesn't burn them so quickly and your troops rout before.

They still represent a good stopping wall if you count on a wrathful skies (I'm playing with that strat in a game).

And in another game with Caelum that I choosed to play without False Horrors, Caelum did well too (Truper was in as Abysya) and all the other 3 player ganged up against Caelum in order to defeat him.

[Boron]

I think there is almost no counter for a timespan of 5-20 turns against caelum using 1-3 seraphs in a planned attack .
By the time caelum gets false horror you have your Sc pretender if you have one and perhaps 1-2 weak Scs .
Mages at that stage can't defeat them as well i think .

So you can't defend more than 2-3 provinces against that once caelum has false horrors .

It maybe that i still lack a bit of experience so if you see any counter which is not too costy then plz say .

[Mardagg]

Boron said:

It maybe that i still lack a bit of experience so if you see any counter which is not too costy then plz say .

Any mixture of flying troops,unbreakable troops and cheap Archers works well.You dont need many troops.
Some time ago I was up against Caelum ,using the False Horror strat,quite early in the game.
I played Abysia.
I had 2 Fiends of Darkness,an Apprentice and some indie archers(set on fire archers) in every important province.
he wasnt able to raid most of my lands because of this ,but I was able to raid his, using Horde from Hell.
Thats why I won the war.

[Cohen]

Hordes from Hell requires 30 Blood Slaves.
Some could trapeze costs 6-9 air gems.

And Imps are worst than False Horrors.

[Huzurdaddi]

Compared to other summons False Horrors is very powerful for it's cost.

The game would actually be richer without it. I don't say that about a lot of spells/items.

[Cohen]

There're already many issues on False Horror.
What we had to say we've already told.
Now it's up to IW if to make some change or not, but I hope the massive games that see Caelum excluded as choice is a clear signal of what this nation is strong, and how false horror, especially with quickness, is strong.

At least Pythium Theurgs can't trapeze by default, and only the Arch theurg can that are capitol only and costs a lot.

[Arryn]

Cohen said:
There're already many issues on False Horror.
What we had to say we've already told.

Alas, the fact that it's been said doesn't appear to deter you and your friends from incessantly saying it again and again every chance you get (and if you don't get a chance, you make up a new one). It's gotten very old and tiresome. Give it a rest. Please.

[Mardagg]

Cohen said:
Hordes from Hell requires 30 Blood Slaves.
Some could trapeze costs 6-9 air gems.

And Imps are worst than False Horrors.

What do you want to say with this?

You compare Blood slaves with Air gems?
You compare a battlefield only spell with a summoning spell??

It wasnt my intention at all to compare those 2 spells,I just showed an example strat how to beat False Horror spam and how I beat Caelum in the end.
Those Imps had been very handy for conquering the multiple Watch Towers of my enemy.
Once you can counter the False Horror strat,an enemy who was completely relying on it,will have extreme difficulties.

False Horror is a strong spell,but not too strong imo.

[Cohen]

An Illusion coundn't kill.

Well against a F9 blessing you go for some horrors slowing Marignon guys and you kill via orb lightning.
However Caelum is more mobile than Marignon. So he can avoid your flagellants and paladins, that couldn't be everywhere and take all undefended province.

If you choose to advance in his land with an army he'll death rout it by surrounding it taking all provinces and sending in a little bigger expedition force.

[Chazar]

I do not say that Caelum is helpless against Marignon, all I am saying is that Marignon is not helpless against Caelian horrors - and that I do not use false horrors against foes like Marignon as Caelum myself, for I find them to be too weak...

Hmm, I've never ever met an Illusion that I realized as such, but according to most fantasy-magic-rpg-folklore that I am aware of, Illusions usually kill quite well...