I suck with Pythium ... please help!

[Huzurdaddi]

Compared to other summons False Horrors is very powerful for it's cost.

The game would actually be richer without it. I don't say that about a lot of spells/items.

[Cohen]

There're already many issues on False Horror.
What we had to say we've already told.
Now it's up to IW if to make some change or not, but I hope the massive games that see Caelum excluded as choice is a clear signal of what this nation is strong, and how false horror, especially with quickness, is strong.

At least Pythium Theurgs can't trapeze by default, and only the Arch theurg can that are capitol only and costs a lot.

[Arryn]

Cohen said:
There're already many issues on False Horror.
What we had to say we've already told.

Alas, the fact that it's been said doesn't appear to deter you and your friends from incessantly saying it again and again every chance you get (and if you don't get a chance, you make up a new one). It's gotten very old and tiresome. Give it a rest. Please.

[Cohen]

Simply because I fight for my causes.

[Arryn]

There's a not-fine line between fighting and making a nuisance of yourself.

[Lex]

its funny, i'm playing Caelum in two games right now, and at every point I'm thinking of ways to counter what I'm doing in the games. Caelum+FalseHorror is in fact balanced with the rest of the game (which is why its still around). But its been balanced in a rock/paper/scissors way, which is why everyone's arguments are true. Caelum is overpowered against ALOT of things, but its defeated by enough things to make it a healthy part of Dom2.

Without things like the FH spam, you wouldn't have any reason to change your play style and respond to a unique threat. The one strategy-fits-all isn't the healthiest way to play long term, and that might explain the frustration of so many players (and its also the downfall of the FH spam, since it too tries to meet every battle the same way)

And I'm surprised alot of players will gladly spend tons of research and gems to equip and raise magic paths in a SC to further an offensive strategy. But some players aren't interested in putting the same game effort into their defense against a clear and well known threat.

[Arryn]

Lex is essentially repeating what Gandalf said a while back. Unfortunately, no one seems to have been listening to Gandalf. Which is a shame, since Gandalf knows what he's talking about. Certainly more so than those whose minds are closed to viewpoints other than that of singleminded simplicity and pet peevishness.

[Huzurdaddi]

its funny, i'm playing Caelum in two games right now, and at every point I'm thinking of ways to counter what I'm doing in the games. Caelum+FalseHorror is in fact balanced with the rest of the game (which is why its still around). But its been balanced in a rock/paper/scissors way, which is why everyone's arguments are true. Caelum is overpowered against ALOT of things, but its defeated by enough things to make it a healthy part of Dom2.

Giggle. Whatever. Perhaps next game I'll get Caelum. I'm sure I will argue ( disingenuously ) that it is balanced at that time as well.

[Cainehill]

What I want to know is what Hen and compadres propose to give Caelum as compensation if False Horror is nerfed (as opposed to the bug where priests don't cast sermon of courage with them).

After all - I see Caelum in at least half the games I play. It isn't the winner most of the time, and yet they want to nerf one of the few things Caelum does have going for it.

After all - Caelum possibly has the worst PD in the game, because it flies right up, fights one turn, and flies away. Even Mictlan or Man's PD at least slows down invaders long enough for mages to cast spells.

Its troops are generally either incredibly flimsy, or extremely resource intensive, slow, and non-flying. National magic isn't particularly flexible, albeit it certainly isn't bad. Oh, and all its troops (except Wingless) eat a boatload of supplies, meaning that any army of decent size is often starving.

So - take away False Horror, thus hurting Caelum, which is already _easily_ countered by certain nations / themes. What does Caelum get to make up for it?

Then again, one of the main whiners about False Horror (and Caelum) also keeps insisting that Abysia is underpowered. *snigger*

[incognito]

At this time, I'd like to firmly declare myself in the camp of singleminded simplicity and pet peevishness. We're a focused bunch with very particular dislikes.

Thank you. That is all.