Newbiegame3 , evil error

[Thufir]

BTW, for the newbies in this game, if you are in a position where you must/want to fight Abysia, be prepared to fight devils. In my second MP game I was playing Pythium against Abysia, and had a strong upperhand for a good while until his Abysia's devil armies came into play. There's some excellent info on countering devils in a thread, started by Huzurdaddi( here), although you should ignore the flamefest at the end.

[Huzurdaddi]

I hope you are clamming right now.

Nope not yet. I have not had the time to go for construction yet ( sacrilege! ). I've had to go for alteration ( for the SC and for body etherial ) and for evocation ( for the main armies ) and for thaumaturgy ( for uhm, soul slay ... just in case ).

Some day soon I hope I will be able to spare the cycles to go for construction, but I need conjuration ( Acashic record ) as well.

It will be some time before I can clam.

there is still sufficient distributed power in this game to defeat Abysia, and as such, this game's end is not a forgone conclusion.

Sadly in terms of geography he is set. While there is enough forces in the world to take him out ( hell I could do it right now and fricking would ... if I was anywhere near him ) there is nothing in his area. We'll just have to play it out.

fight Abysia, be prepared to fight devils

True enough. I would be more worried about SC's though. While Mictlain may get some of them I doubt he will get all of them. A properly equipped ID can take on as many normal devils as you can throw at it. And the SC's cost less total resources to make a fearsome fighting machine than soul contracts do.

Anyway you are right on with the thread you referenced it contains some good information on fighting devils.

[Thufir]

Huzurdaddi said:

True enough. I would be more worried about SC's though. While Mictlain may get some of them I doubt he will get all of them. A properly equipped ID can take on as many normal devils as you can throw at it. And the SC's cost less total resources to make a fearsome fighting machine than soul contracts do.

I'm surprised to see your concern about Ice Devils (I assume ID=Ice Devil, right?). When playing Abysia, I skip Ice Devils and go right to Arch Devils. Doesn't summoning Ice Devils require getting a Warlock whose random is 1W, forging a water bracelet, then empowering a Warlock on top of that? And, then when you're done with that they still don't have fire immunity, and have a cold aura that certainly isn't compatible with your army. I would've guessed that it's smarter to let Mictlan have the Ice Devils, and make sure that you beat Mictlan to the punch in summoning Arch Devils.

[Soapyfrog]

Well Ice Devils make very good SCs and so they generally operate alone.

They have better HP, slightly better stats, and better resistances than Arch Devils so they are a better SC chassis, whereas the Arch Devils (with their inherent flying) are better used to lead your devil armies.

[Huzurdaddi]

I would've guessed that it's smarter to let Mictlan have the Ice Devils, and make sure that you beat Mictlan to the punch in summoning Arch Devils.

I would prefer to have all of the 11 blood leaders thank you!

I would put the 3 water on my pretender and rush for blood 6 and get what I could with abysia. You should win the race since mictlain *needs* to go to construction 4 1st ( for SDR's while you do not ).

[Regen]

C'tis isn't a factor? Ouch, but sadly true starting position with only 2 borders and one of them was very ugly. Did take out Tein Chi's army 2x on a lark. So it seems that this game is now on a path similar to many games that Cohen is in. He is in the early lead, we can all cooperate to take him down a notch, at which point he will cry foul and go computer controlled.

Will await other responses to see if we can have some fun, or just go computer controlled soon and save the time.

[Soapyfrog]

Last game I was in (still running, newbies unite) with Cohen he fought for much of the game against terrific odds and did not give up in this manner, so perhaps there is no need to jump to conclusions.