how do damage multipliers work?

[Graeme Dice]

alexti said:
One of ways to defeat AQ is to swarm her with something lifeless and wait until she falls unconcious.

Air queens have a base encumbrance of 0.

[Taqwus]

AQs might indeed be pretty rough.

Although IIRC they have no foot slots which means that for quickness they need one of

*) Jade Armor
*) Heroic Quickness
*) The Deathmatch Trident
*) A friendly water mage with gems casting Quickening

assuming that you're unwilling to empower them or try something funky like a Slave Matrix combined with a Communion Master casting Quickness and/or other buffs.

Jade Armor should cut down the resistances they can have, and it's not that great in terms of damage blocking either, IIRC. Even with Mistform, hm... can a knight's lance break Mistform? That's one of the more damaging, no-magic-involved, common attack forms available. Perhaps a fire-9 or blood-9 blessing would also help (for a probably silly extreme, berserk Lava Warriors with a blood-9 hit *hard*, if memory serves).

Aside from that, their hit points aren't incredible (unlike, say, Tartarians or a well-fed Eater o' the Dead) and they don't regenerate so massive-damage weapons like the Gate Cleavers et al should still be effective.

[Boron]

Yeah the lack of the feetslot is a bit bad for the airqueens .
Really not easy to make a good Sc . If you take an undead/demon chassis then the herald lance / flamebeau will do their job but the airqueen on the other hand is not invulnerable too

[alexti]

Boron said:
Yeah the lack of the feetslot is a bit bad for the airqueens .
Really not easy to make a good Sc . If you take an undead/demon chassis then the herald lance / flamebeau will do their job but the airqueen on the other hand is not invulnerable too

That's what I'm saying. I thought they were dying from the fatigue, but it seems they just die with no apparent reason. Maybe they were worring about the ID with the Summit too much

[Huzurdaddi]

So the only SC's that I know of that are not either magical or undead/demon are:

Firbolgs
Nifel Jarls

and ... uhm I guess that's it. Wowzie.

[Yossar]

Huzurdaddi said:
So the only SC's that I know of that are not either magical or undead/demon are:

Firbolgs
Nifel Jarls

and ... uhm I guess that's it. Wowzie.

Maybe a golem, but his attack and defense aren't very good.

[Cainehill]

Huzurdaddi said:
So the only SC's that I know of that are not either magical or undead/demon are:

Firbolgs
Nifel Jarls

and ... uhm I guess that's it. Wowzie.

I'm not sure what your point is? Do you think that non-magical units should be Super Combatants? Militia maybe, or heavy infantry? Peasants?

And actually, those aren't the only ones. Tarrasques, GoR'd, are neither magic nor undead/demon.

But again - given the game doesn't have USMC units or commanders, I don't see many things that should be SCs that wouldn't be magical, undead, unholy, or unreasonable (ie, horrors and such).

And yet, there _are_ another couple of SCs that are national troops. Well, definately as good as Firbolgs, except maybe on leadership. Vanheim's top leaders, the Tuatha, probably some of Pangeaea's mages, and I think some of the water race mages are capable of SCing. (Note : Not being top notch SCs, but there's only about 10 ways to get a top notch SCc, and only 4 or 5 are commonly used, I think.)

[Arralen]

Troll Kings, Spectral Mages, Black Servants, Shambler Chiefs ..
Ok, the Last ones only make for Pocket-BBs,sorry, meant -SCs, but they're cheap an easy to get.

[Boron]

Huzurdaddi said:
So the only SC's that I know of that are not either magical or undead/demon are:

Firbolgs
Nifel Jarls

and ... uhm I guess that's it. Wowzie.

Hm this makes the Niefel jarls very special . And you can improve them even more by a lvl 9/10 blessing .

Lategame there is one more impressive SC which is neither magical nor undead/demon : Wished natarajas


At least vs magical beeing there are not so many brutal things as against undeads like wither bones etc. .
But a Moonblade is damn cheap and 11 damage , x2 vs magical beeings so almost as brutal as a Flamebeau against demons


Hmmmm when you use Niefel Jarls with a nature 9/10 bless then they heal and as a side effect your pretender can summon fairy queens to heal their afflictions .

Deccan if you want to you could test Niefel Jarls vs. Banelords , Airqueens and Ice devils . Would be very interesting i think since the Niefel Jarl can cast quickness + BoW too to improve his abilities even further .

Hm the Niefel Jarl needs no quickness , will have improved stats by one lvl 9 blessing and is available from turn 1 on and has all slots available .
Base attack / def of 12 but +1/coldlevel so in cold 3 base att/def of 15/15 and 100% CR + chillaura .
Extremely frightening .

[Ironhawk]

Boron said:
At least vs magical beeing there are not so many brutal things as against undeads like wither bones etc. .
But a Moonblade is damn cheap and 11 damage , x2 vs magical beeings so almost as brutal as a Flamebeau against demons

Dont forget about the Elfbane that is an instant kill vs magical beings. MR negates but still its cheap and potentially deadly.