OT: Debate

[Raging Deadstar]

No Ammount of Spin doctoring can train a monkey to be an effective mouth piece

[Renegade 13]

I say we revolt! Vote for no one, depose Bush, execute politicians, and find someone who's actually qualified to lead a country! Who's that you may ask?? Well, me of course! I'd be quite happy to travel down to the States and lead your country for you. Oh wait, foreigners aren't allowed to be president are they? Damn...well we can change that. My first official act will be to surrender the US....to CANADA!! [img]/threads/images/Graemlins/Flag_Canada.gif[/img] [img]/threads/images/Graemlins/Flag_Canada.gif[/img] [img]/threads/images/Graemlins/Flag_Canada.gif[/img]

[Colonel]

Aren't these political thread suppose to goto the general forum?? Anyways Govener Bushey, I swear hes a studdering monkey. This is how he sounded I....uh....and..um. He would take an extra 30 seconds and not explain anything, And yet according to an unbaised poll i've looked at Bushey is still ahead overall the US.

[Gandalf Parker]

Colonel said:
Aren't these political thread suppose to goto the general forum??

Nahh they can stay in SEIV. Doesnt matter here.

Anyways Govener Bushey, I swear hes a studdering monkey. This is how he sounded I....uh....and..um. He would take an extra 30 seconds and not explain anything, And yet according to an unbaised poll i've looked at Bushey is still ahead overall the US.

Well at least he doesnt "flip flop" He stays resolute to his convictions no matter what anyone says, no matter what anyone proves, and no matter what he based his judgement on has fallen by the wayside since then. THATS what we need in a president. Fantacism.

Im not voting for Kerry as much as Im voting against Bush.

[parabolize]

Youre working hard to put food on your family. -George Bush Jr.

Don't vote for either. Get funding for the Green party.

[Colonel]

Gandalf Parker said:
Well at least he doesnt "flip flop" He stays resolute to his convictions no matter what anyone says, no matter what anyone proves, and no matter what he based his judgement on has fallen by the wayside since then. THATS what we need in a president. Fantacism.

Im not voting for Kerry as much as Im voting against Bush.

WOW I swear this is the reason the democrats need to hit back on the flip flop thing. BUSHEY FLIPED TOOOOOOO At first he was against Home LAnd sequrity but was swayed by Congressional Leadership. Thier were a few taxes that he supported but was stopped by his rich friends. IS that who you really want running the country. A person who can be pushed over by Republican Leadership or Big Bizness

[boran_blok]

Colonel said:

WOW I swear this is the reason the democrats need to hit back on the flip flop thing. BUSHEY FLIPED TOOOOOOO At first he was against Home LAnd sequrity but was swayed by Congressional Leadership. Thier were a few taxes that he supported but was stopped by his rich friends. IS that who you really want running the country. A person who can be pushed over by Republican Leadership or Big Bizness

Saecrh the web for a file named 4-28-03-bushvbush-hres.mov (if you google it you can find it on the first page that comes up) that settles the point on flipflopping for me, it's like if people change their minds it's a bad thing, imho people should be allowed to change their minds, wether for worse or better (and that also depends on your point of view) but if nobody changes their minds about anything we wouldnt even have to have any debates because everyones mind would already be set on whom they will vote (an it seems that is the case already for 80% of the americans, because they will not sway from their oh-so-beloved political party)

if you didnt notice i'm critisizing both sides here.

[Gandalf Parker]

boran_blok said:
Saecrh the web for a file named 4-28-03-bushvbush-hres.mov (if you google it you can find it on the first page that comes up) that settles the point on flipflopping for me, it's like if people change their minds it's a bad thing, imho people should be allowed to change their minds, wether for worse or better (and that also depends on your point of view) but if nobody changes their minds about anything we wouldnt even have to have any debates because everyones mind would already be set on whom they will vote (an it seems that is the case already for 80% of the americans, because they will not sway from their oh-so-beloved political party)

if you didnt notice i'm critisizing both sides here.

Yeah that was kindof the point I was making. Another word for "flip flop" would be flexible, another word for "determined" would be fanatical. Most of the flip-flops mentioned on Kerry sound pretty reasonable when you look at them. There were always changed situations, or changes to what was originally agreed on when he said he would go one way, or perfectly good details involved with changing his mind. Sounds like a good thing to me. Even if he WERE weak willed it would amount to listening to his advisors which would be a good balancing factor.

[Atrocities]

Debates are just forums for those participating to spread their views. They mean nothing past the soap box they stand on.

[Katchoo]

Atrocities said:
Debates are just forums for those participating to spread their views. They mean nothing past the soap box they stand on.

Considering that 62.5 Million people watched the Debate Thursday, I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss the effect Bush's performance had.

62.5 Million people got to watch Bush slouch over the podium, sneer, shuffle the same piece of paper over & over, stammer, studder, repeat "it's hard work" 11 times, and continuously link Saddam to 9/11 (despite Kerry pointing it out towards the end). On the other side those 62.5 million people got to see Kerry stand straight & proud all night, smile, respond sharply, and not repeat the same points over and over again.

Kerry acted like a President should, while Bush acted like a man who finally wasn't being sheltered in a small auditoriom with 5000 loalty-oath signing blind supporters. Being out in the real world can only hurt Bush more.

Bush's only hope now of not comming off as a complete stubborn incompetent boob is the Town Hall Debate, because that Last Debate on domestic issues is going to be a slaughterfest with Bush on the dinner table with an apple in his mouth.

Here piggy piggy piggy...