Fools Lament II - Ended - Mictlan wins!!!

[Huzurdaddi]

Who would you think is even close to being more powerful than you?

Uhm, let's see: Marignon, Man, Arcosphale, Matchaka, or T'ien Ch'i( he's doing a great job with a nation considered weak)?

WRT: the troops graph, Pangea's statistics look very good due to free spawns. Man's stats are 100% quality troops. I've been fighting him those numbers ain't archers. They are Vine Ogres. Which are FINE troops in those numbers let me assure you.

Vine ogres are great tanks, but aren't too hard to deal with with their horrible defense and MR.

Unless you have access to 'save or die' spells that's a lot of HP to pound through. They Last a long time. All that time his mages pound the crap out of you. He needs those mages anyway to lead that number of magical units he might as well use them.

Hey if you have a good way to obliterate crazy numbers of vine ogres I am all ears. Remember this is hard research. Don't go telling me to spam nether darts or use disintegrate those are a little too high. No soul slay either I'm not Arcosphale or Pythium. No polymorph it's too high up and I'm a death nation. Wrathful skies would be great. Sadly I'm not Caelum. I've basically got to pound through those HP. I ( very sadly ) had to use Behomoths Last time to crush his 1st army and it hurt me way more than it hurt him. Those are expensive units and they are suboptimal against such large troops I would have much rather used them against Ulm or marignon, but Man forced my hand.

(but with no hidden gem income from clams, etc. the graphs are better than usual

This is 100% correct. They are still flawed but they are *much* better than normal where they have almost no link to reality!

And they show you to clearly be in first place.

By how much, exactly? I have 1 province more than 1 nation and 3 other nations are lagging me by 1 more. Sounds like spin to me, honestly. 5 nations are basically in a tie for research. We've already discussed the army graph -- it's pretty much worthless. The only graph I am ahead by is gems and sadly that is due to a rainbow pretender which is why I am in this pickle. If I had an SC I would wipe away the chaff before me.

If I'm ahead then it ain't by much 4-5 nations are pretty darn close. And one more ( man ) has a lot more strength ( due to I have to conceed a very nice equipping of mages ) than the graphs show.

Who knows what kind of blood income Mictlan, Abysia, Jotun, and Vanheim have

Well it's kind of irrelevant since I think you are the only one being played by a human. I have little doubt where the 11 SCs will land. Anytime I have played Mictlain and been left alone for as long as you have it's been trouble for the rest of the world. However you are missing Soul Contracts, lucky for us or the game would basically be decided by now.

Anyway I'll fight it out. Who knows what will happen. Maybe some random fortune will save me or something. We'll see.

[Yossar]

Huzurdaddi said:

Well it's kind of irrelevant since I think you are the only one being played by a human. I have little doubt where the 11 SCs will land.

Jotun is human controlled, has a base slave income of 3, a blood magic 40 (!) site, and starts with two W3B2 mages. It's a setup that practically screams Ice Devil. I'm not sure if he decided to go that route, but I chose a somewhat ineficient path to start with (I'm a Mictlan newbie), so if he did he could have easily beaten me to most of them.

[Peter Ebbesen]

Yossar said:
Jotun is human controlled, has a base slave income of 3, a blood magic 40 (!) site, and starts with two W3B2 mages. It's a setup that practically screams Ice Devil. I'm not sure if he decided to go that route, but I chose a somewhat ineficient path to start with (I'm a Mictlan newbie), so if he did he could have easily beaten me to most of them.

Indeed, underestimate Jotunheim on this map at your own peril. The Triple Peaks province is all things considered the single best place for ritual magic in the world as it has gem reducing effects for several paths, all of them with magic that Jotunheim commonly uses. Not quite as specialised as some nations get, but certainly nothing to ignore.

As for Ermor, if Ermor controls three starting capitals, it is perfectly reasonable for a few other players on his borders to unite to take him down. Especially considering the very, very, powerful sites under Ermor's control. Not attempting to do so would likely be suicidal in the long run if Ermor is already pushing dominion. The real question is why Ermor does not have any allies.

Surely, there must be somebody bordering those dastardly attackers, who disrespect the imperial way of unlife, who would be willing to take a province or three while the armies are away fighting the risen dead. Perhaps if Ermor sent them a gift?

[Nappa]

Arco, Jotun and Machaka are the ones who have me worried. They are being very quiet!

[baboune]

I am only quiet because I have no idea of what I am doing ...

[Nappa]

Baboune, your first MP game?

[anatoli11]

So Huzurdaddi you're back to where you started... and you messaged me that you want me to continue trash talking you...

Well, here goes: No one else has taken any provinces off of you, you've killed 6 turns worth of vine ogres & a few leaders, and you havn't been able to invade my territory... so I'm still waiting for the big hurt you've promised me.

[baboune]

No but It is my first time in such a good position (in terms of score).
I hav outran my plans...

[Huzurdaddi]

Indeed, underestimate Jotunheim on this map at your own peril.

Totally agree. I did not notice that they were being played by a human. My mistake!

As for Ermor, if Ermor controls three starting capitals

Sadly it does not and never has. I have not been been able to take C'tis as when I was about to devour it I was dogpiled. And I will now never have it. However if this distortion makes the pathetic alliance feel better then great for them.

risen dead. Perhaps if Ermor sent them a gift

I can assure you the price for such things is quite high. It's like getting money from a shrewd negotiator: if you do not need the money the cost is cheap, when you are desperate the cost is very high.

Anyway I'll go back to taking my beating like a man ... or something!