Looking for players for a new NEWBIE game.

[douglas]

Look five Posts back from yours. State religions are outlawed.

If SEIV had a reasonable intel system, I'd agree with you. But really, what's the point when you need four empires working together to bring down one empire's counter-intel, assuming equal intelligence points for all and the four are dedicating ALL of their intel efforts towards that empire leaving none for defense?

[Salient]

All players emailed through the PBW site on the intel question.
I hope they come here and voice their opinions so we can quickly resolve this.

I hope we can get the game going somewhere next week. Hopefully will find two more players.

[Arakiel]

douglas said:
Look five Posts back from yours. State religions are outlawed.

If SEIV had a reasonable intel system, I'd agree with you. But really, what's the point when you need four empires working together to bring down one empire's counter-intel, assuming equal intelligence points for all and the four are dedicating ALL of their intel efforts towards that empire leaving none for defense?

"Deeply Religious Trait : I'm fine with not allowing it. I would be interested to see what other people think about that."

doesnt sound to me like outlawed, sounds to me like it's still up for discussion.

as to your other question on whats the point of intel...it's called Role Playing, you may have heard of it. It involves taking on the role of another (in this case government) and acting just as that other would. Taking something out for all players because you don't find it effective smacks at the opposite of what RP is for. Now if YOU don't want to use Intel in your government then that's fine, but for others it may be an intricate part of their society.

[douglas]

Arakiel said:
"Deeply Religious Trait : I'm fine with not allowing it. I would be interested to see what other people think about that."

That was eight Posts back, not five. I was referring to this post:

[Salient said:
I suggest we allow intel, it's like I said a strategic choice.

Tech and ship trading are off limits and so is the religious trait.

Arakiel said:
as to your other question on whats the point of intel...it's called Role Playing, you may have heard of it. It involves taking on the role of another (in this case government) and acting just as that other would. Taking something out for all players because you don't find it effective smacks at the opposite of what RP is for. Now if YOU don't want to use Intel in your government then that's fine, but for others it may be an intricate part of their society.

I am quite familiar with role playing. What I don't understand is why someone would want to roleplay having his agents caught EVERY SINGLE TIME unless he had half a dozen allies helping them out. If someone want to play an intel-oriented race, I can practically gaurantee that that race will be a very minor power because of it.

[Salient]

How about we make it a compromise ?

I agree with douglas that the deeply religius trait is overpowered, so we leave that one out.

I agree with Arakiel that intel is part of the game and a strategic decision for each player to make, so we'll have that in.

[Enigma]

I am good with that, since I do use Intel on occassion and I am do not have the religious trait:-)

[Sivran]

Hm, I may have to adjust my empire.

[MoTec]

Okay, I'm here! I'm going to try to join the game now... I'm travelling again for the next two weeks so it's possible that i might miss a turn or two. No big deal if that happens, I'll deal with it.

[SWizzardS]

Thanks for allowing me to join. I personally would recommend not having intel. In general I think it will just make the game better overall.

Otherwise I am happy with whatever decision we finally decide to go with. Once I know I will send up my empire file.

Rune

[Salient]

Intel is allowed, but I doubt it will get much attention or have a big impact. Could be fun slipping through a ship bomb once or twice for the roleplaying aspect of the game

Glad you decided to join the game SWizzardS.

Probably be starting in a day or two.