OT - US Presidential Candiates Arrested!

[Katchoo]

Starhawk said:A.) Canada is not worth being hit by a terrorist attack to a terrorist organization because as renegade pointed out so well THEY HAVE an ity bitty tiny population that is not as centralized as the average US big city nor are they as nationally diverse so blowing up a building in Canada would only kill Canadians and most likely far fewer dead (the terrorists were attempting to knock the towers over not make them collapse, estimated body count was nearly 100,000 dead had the towers fallen while rescue personnel were on scene and while the other buildings and streets below were crowded as their fall would have lead to a chain reaction for multiple blocks and killed so many people it's scary), in canada you just couldn't kill that many people that easily unless you dropped a nuke so less body count means less publicity which means not worth it.

"Tried to knock it down"??? If you want to tip over a building, you take out the supports. Ever watch a controlled building demolition? You don't see Engineers toppling a building blowing it from the top floors. Terrorists are a lot of things, but stupid isn't one of them. If they were stupid they would have been caught at the Airport.

This is the first time I've heard your explanation. Sounds like more "fear propoganda" to keep Bush's base controlled & paranoid.

And as for Canadians themselves being morally superior because they never fund rebel Groups or anything, uh THEY'RE TOOO POOR buddy! Hand a blue Canadian dollar to a middle easterner he'd use it for toilet paper and then laugh at you (heck he might give it back in the mail)so of course your not funding terrorist Groups.

So you're, what, saying that it's all right to fund terrorist Groups and start rebellions? I think it's time you put aside your copy of SE:IV and smelled the coffee.

As for knocking our currency, well, have at it all you want. Poke all the fun you want at our Military too. At the end of the day our Soldiers will still be alive (and mostly home) while your Men & Women are off getting ripped apart in Iraq. The joke's on you, and I wish it weren't.

Ahem TERRORISTS HATE EVERYONE OF A DIFFERENT RELGION look at their doctrines, they hated us for soo many reasons you can't DARE simplify it as a "oooh big bad americans made dumb mistakes during the cold war" crap and th soviet union funded rebels to are they going after Russia.........NO so that blows that theory right clean out of the water buddy.

Who's talking about the Cold War. I specifically mentioned the Taliban. Had the United States not supplied funding & weapons to Bin Laden during the 80's & 90's the 9/11 attack may not have happened.

Terrorists have no problems with other Religions, as long you don't try to impose another Religion on to them. Unfortunately the U.S. likes to go around shoving Christianity down foreign throats, and that, young man, doesn't help your Country.

Oh and no offense to any Canadians here, I hear it's a lovley country with polite people but lets face it in the grand world scheme of things most of the 3rd world nations probobly don't know what Canada is while 99.999% of the world knows of that huge ol' country the United States.

An ignorant comment from a waste of space.

[Fyron]

This is going nowhere... perhaps all involved should take the night off to cool down.

[Katchoo]

Imperator Fyron said:
This is going nowhere... perhaps all involved should take the night off to cool down.

Frankly I can't be bothered to hang around here any longer. This place is going downhill while waiting for the next Release.

I'll see you all after SE:V comes out.

Read ya later.

[Fyron]

Katchoo said:
Frankly I can't be bothered to hang around here any longer. This place is going downhill while waiting for the next Release.

I'll see you all after SE:V comes out.

Read ya later.

Not that you will read this, but... that is just a tad alarmist, don't you think?

[Will]

For all, but specifically Starhawk:

If you haven't already, pick up a copy of "The Ugly American" by William J. Lederer and Eugene Burdick at your local library. It focuses on the arrogance that was prevalent in the 1950's and 1960's era policies in southeast Asia, and how it helped the Soviets gain an even larger foothold in the area because of the unbelievable ignorance and arrogance of American foreign policy. In its time, it turned around American policy, and probably helped the US win the Cold War. Today, you can make very good parallels with the American foreign policy worldwide under the Bush Administration, and see how Islamic terrorist Jihad organizations are utilizing the same mistakes to take advantage of our position, and possibly bring us down through guerilla warfare (not to mention through pissing off the rest of the world).

If you have read the book, I suggest reading through it again to see the parallels. In my personal opinion, the countries of the Middle East were screwed up by the territory borders drawn up after the World Wars by Britain, France, the US, and the Allies, and are not yet ready for a democratic style of government (for the nitpickers, republican style of government, there is no true democracy on Earth at the moment AFAIK). But if we are going to install such a style of government, we do it through the work of aid workers, who facilitate the creation of businesses in the area and instill the social values of elections, fair judicial systems, and human rights, etc. The way is not through a military invasion followed by the creation of what is essentially a puppet government and an election process that will inevitably degenerate into complete failure. A democratic system will not work unless the citizens of the area want to make it work, and we're not making that happen right now.

[Ruatha]

Just read the entire thread and here's some comments for several Posts, might not make much sense if you haven't just read it all Posts at once...

I think the french revolution lead to something good eventually..

Peacekeepers are mostly military, and they have their national symbols on their uniforms, usually national uniforms.

We in sweden, a relative small country of 9 million people, have personel in international service in 15 places right now (Kosovo (KFOR), Bosnia (SFOR), Balkan (EUMM), Liberia (UNMIL), Sierra Leone (UNAMSIL), Eritrea/Etiopia (UNMEE), Kongo (MONUC), Sudan (JMM/JMC), Georgia (UNOMIG), Georgia (OSCE), Middle east (UNTSO), Afganistan (ISAF), Kashmir (UNMOGIP), Korea (NNSC), East timor (UNMISET).

We are planning on sending the airforce abroad on peacekeeping missions aswell, as we have one of the best multi-purpose jets in service today (SAAB JAS-39 Gripen), I think the plan was Kongo, where we've had the airforce on peace keeping missions before.

The US dollar is at an 7 year low right now.

Just becourse we critize aspects of the US doesn't mean we don't critize our own countries and goverments.. It's just that not many people on this forum are intersted in the internal politics in Sweden I think, but there seems to be an interest in the US politics, which is understandable as it has a global effect in a way Swedish (and other small countries) politcs doesn't have.

Why can't people see that some countries (France, Russia etc) might have thought the war against Iraq was a bad idea, just as the US thought it was agood idea? Does it have to be a bad motive only?
Sure there where several things taken into consideration but ultimately I belive the decisions both in US and France was heavily influenced becourse the leaders thought their decisions where the "best" for the people in Iraq. (I know I'm naive..)

So, totally random comments, can you see where they fit in?

[Renegade 13]

Katchoo said:


Frankly I can't be bothered to hang around here any longer. This place is going downhill while waiting for the next Release.

I'll see you all after SE:V comes out.

Read ya later.

Come on Katchoo, dont' go! Just avoid the political threads, such as this one. I don't think the community as a whole has gone downhill, although this thread could be said to have become inflammatory, with people calling other people "damn fools" etc, and so on, on both sides of the arguement. But please, there's no need to abandon this place simply due to one thing, such as this.

Anyways, hope you change your mind. If you don't, see you when SEV comes out

[TerranC]

Katchoo said:
Terrorists have no problems with other Religions, as long you don't try to impose another Religion on to them. Unfortunately the U.S. likes to go around shoving Christianity down foreign throats, and that, young man, doesn't help your Country.

I would have to say I disagree with you here Katchoo on both of your statements: Islam itself have no problems with other religions, and some "islamic" "terrorist" indeed take "care" in choosing their targets, but quite frankly, you cannot expect a group of men that follow a man who wants to establish a pan-arabic islamic sheikdom that "will" destroy jews, judaism, christianity, christians, and others that walk amongst "pure muslims who must pretend tolerance but deep down hate them (those belonging to other than their brand of islam) for what they are" that was sheltered by a radical militant group that shot women on sight for showing their ankles and bazooka-ed priceless peices of human heritage because they saw it as an affront to the Quran religious tolerance.

And the US government has never, ever, imposed christianity onto other nations. American missionaries are indeed numerous in many nations, and more go abroad each day, but they do it for their own beliefs, not for some political-religious agenda. And Countries can always reject these missionaries; whether they are accepted or rejected, that is a matter for the populace of the nations that are being evangelized to decide.

Edit: I agree with Fyron. This thread is IMHO becoming degrading, in both senses of the word. Let's all take a moment to calm down and if anyone should want to restart the discussion, be civil in doing so.

[Starhawk]

Katchoo said:

"Tried to knock it down"??? If you want to tip over a building, you take out the supports. Ever watch a controlled building demolition? You don't see Engineers toppling a building blowing it from the top floors. Terrorists are a lot of things, but stupid isn't one of them. If they were stupid they would have been caught at the Airport.

This is the first time I've heard your explanation. Sounds like more "fear propoganda" to keep Bush's base controlled & paranoid.

Well it's hard to fly a plane I'm sure and aiming it probobly also hard so stupidity doesn't have anything to do with it.....they hit mid towers NOT the upper floor if they had hit a little lower they could have knocked it over look at the way it happened. Even the engineers say that's what would have likely happened if they had hit it lower. It's hard to fly a several ton aircraft into support beams......gaw.

So you're, what, saying that it's all right to fund terrorist Groups and start rebellions? I think it's time you put aside your copy of SE:IV and smelled the coffee.

As for knocking our currency, well, have at it all you want. Poke all the fun you want at our Military too. At the end of the day our Soldiers will still be alive (and mostly home) while your Men & Women are off getting ripped apart in Iraq. The joke's on you, and I wish it weren't.

No I'm just saying you can't judge when you couldn't do it if you wanted too so pay attention.

AND you are an insensitive *** for that other comment as if you had paid attention to what I said earlier so I won't even give you a response to that stupid comment that makes you seem like a damned fool. Especially because I was not joking your military in any way I was just saying it's small as has everyon else here so pay attention or don't comment.

Who's talking about the Cold War. I specifically mentioned the Taliban. Had the United States not supplied funding & weapons to Bin Laden during the 80's & 90's the 9/11 attack may not have happened.

Uh....LOOK AT WHAT WAS HAPPENING IN THE 80's FOOL it was coming to the closing stages OF THE DAMN COLD WAR and the Taliban was funded to DRIVE OUT SOVIET FORCSE God you don't pay attention do you?
And Bin Laden is an oil millionaire so uh he doesn't need our money.

Terrorists have no problems with other Religions, as long you don't try to impose another Religion on to them. Unfortunately the U.S. likes to go around shoving Christianity down foreign throats, and that, young man, doesn't help your Country.

Again good lord your an *** if you beleive that, damnit man these damned terrorists torture OTHER MUSLIMS OF DIFFERENT SECTS and let's not mention SERBS, Jews and anyone else that does not share their views of the Corran.

And what on EARTH are you talking about MY NATION liking to SHOVE CHRISTIANITY down everyon'es throat? If you havn't noticed my government is leaning more towards the anti-religious aspects in recent history right down to banning the ten commandments in a public place so you are a fool if you think the US is actually out their on a crusade or crap like that.

An ignorant comment from a waste of space.

Not ignorant again pay attention to the Posts above yours and actually read on commentary made by others many of the folks here agree with what I've been saying about some national politics.


You need to read some history books my friend and when you do then I'll come back and reply to you. I mean I made mistakes but most of that was fatigue what is your excuse for not even knowing when the Cold War was going on?