OT - US Presidential Candiates Arrested!

[Katchoo]

Imperator Fyron said:
This is going nowhere... perhaps all involved should take the night off to cool down.

Frankly I can't be bothered to hang around here any longer. This place is going downhill while waiting for the next Release.

I'll see you all after SE:V comes out.

Read ya later.

[Fyron]

Katchoo said:
Frankly I can't be bothered to hang around here any longer. This place is going downhill while waiting for the next Release.

I'll see you all after SE:V comes out.

Read ya later.

Not that you will read this, but... that is just a tad alarmist, don't you think?

[Will]

For all, but specifically Starhawk:

If you haven't already, pick up a copy of "The Ugly American" by William J. Lederer and Eugene Burdick at your local library. It focuses on the arrogance that was prevalent in the 1950's and 1960's era policies in southeast Asia, and how it helped the Soviets gain an even larger foothold in the area because of the unbelievable ignorance and arrogance of American foreign policy. In its time, it turned around American policy, and probably helped the US win the Cold War. Today, you can make very good parallels with the American foreign policy worldwide under the Bush Administration, and see how Islamic terrorist Jihad organizations are utilizing the same mistakes to take advantage of our position, and possibly bring us down through guerilla warfare (not to mention through pissing off the rest of the world).

If you have read the book, I suggest reading through it again to see the parallels. In my personal opinion, the countries of the Middle East were screwed up by the territory borders drawn up after the World Wars by Britain, France, the US, and the Allies, and are not yet ready for a democratic style of government (for the nitpickers, republican style of government, there is no true democracy on Earth at the moment AFAIK). But if we are going to install such a style of government, we do it through the work of aid workers, who facilitate the creation of businesses in the area and instill the social values of elections, fair judicial systems, and human rights, etc. The way is not through a military invasion followed by the creation of what is essentially a puppet government and an election process that will inevitably degenerate into complete failure. A democratic system will not work unless the citizens of the area want to make it work, and we're not making that happen right now.

[Ruatha]

Just read the entire thread and here's some comments for several Posts, might not make much sense if you haven't just read it all Posts at once...

I think the french revolution lead to something good eventually..

Peacekeepers are mostly military, and they have their national symbols on their uniforms, usually national uniforms.

We in sweden, a relative small country of 9 million people, have personel in international service in 15 places right now (Kosovo (KFOR), Bosnia (SFOR), Balkan (EUMM), Liberia (UNMIL), Sierra Leone (UNAMSIL), Eritrea/Etiopia (UNMEE), Kongo (MONUC), Sudan (JMM/JMC), Georgia (UNOMIG), Georgia (OSCE), Middle east (UNTSO), Afganistan (ISAF), Kashmir (UNMOGIP), Korea (NNSC), East timor (UNMISET).

We are planning on sending the airforce abroad on peacekeeping missions aswell, as we have one of the best multi-purpose jets in service today (SAAB JAS-39 Gripen), I think the plan was Kongo, where we've had the airforce on peace keeping missions before.

The US dollar is at an 7 year low right now.

Just becourse we critize aspects of the US doesn't mean we don't critize our own countries and goverments.. It's just that not many people on this forum are intersted in the internal politics in Sweden I think, but there seems to be an interest in the US politics, which is understandable as it has a global effect in a way Swedish (and other small countries) politcs doesn't have.

Why can't people see that some countries (France, Russia etc) might have thought the war against Iraq was a bad idea, just as the US thought it was agood idea? Does it have to be a bad motive only?
Sure there where several things taken into consideration but ultimately I belive the decisions both in US and France was heavily influenced becourse the leaders thought their decisions where the "best" for the people in Iraq. (I know I'm naive..)

So, totally random comments, can you see where they fit in?

[Renegade 13]

Katchoo said:


Frankly I can't be bothered to hang around here any longer. This place is going downhill while waiting for the next Release.

I'll see you all after SE:V comes out.

Read ya later.

Come on Katchoo, dont' go! Just avoid the political threads, such as this one. I don't think the community as a whole has gone downhill, although this thread could be said to have become inflammatory, with people calling other people "damn fools" etc, and so on, on both sides of the arguement. But please, there's no need to abandon this place simply due to one thing, such as this.

Anyways, hope you change your mind. If you don't, see you when SEV comes out