spell questions: Breath of Winter, Communion M/S

[Alneyan]

The Sword of Swiftness does not bestow Quickness on its wielder; it simply gives two attacks per turn. What would be even more fun would be this Natajara with Heroic Quickness, and a very high absurd value of 400% Quickness, or something along these lines.

[Graeme Dice]

Zooko said:
How do you know this? I mean, how did you figure out that the fire-9 bless effect added a separate damage instance instead of increasing the damage of the normal attack?

The devs told us a few months ago. I believe that the +8 AP attack only applies to attacks with the primary weapon however, so a unit with a flail will get 2 fire attacks, but a unit with two swords will only get one such attack.

[Zooko]

So there's a lot of information which is sort of "oral tradition" -- the devs talking about it on this forum. Illwinter and Shrapnel should keep in mind that that information is not part of the game as experienced by the "mass market" -- the majority of Dom 3 Users will probably never read this forum...

[archaeolept]

heh, yes, but for some this is part of the game's charm. even people who have been playing since Dom I are unsure about so many specifics...

heck, even the devs don't know a good proportion of the time

[FarAway Pretender]

I'm okay w/not explaining the math everywhere, but I also wish I had some better understanding of some of these things. The damage determination calculations are very tough to understand.

One of the posters here, Liga has done a GREAT job of documenting most of these in his "FAQ" document (60 pages long, download available from the Illwinter Games website). But there are some (somewhat more basic) things that are just not real well explained, that I'd hope to see some kind of explanation for.

[Zooko]

I wonder if my Paladin's lance gets the fire bonus.

[Kristoffer O]

I think all attacks from a blessed unit gets an extra fire dmg roll (flails having 2).
The fire attack always hits, as does poison on a poisoned weapon, but the poisoned weapon must also wound if the poison is to have any effect.

No secondary effects need a second attack roll IIRC, but some, like poison, must wound the target.

[Zooko]

Yikes -- the fire attack always hits even if the attack misses? Sweet. No wonder my blessed flagellants tear into the enemy ranks so nicely.

[Kristoffer O]

Oops, I didn't mean that. But it hits regardless of damage done. You must still hit the target with the primary attack.

[Zooko]

Hrm. I'm sorry, but I don't understand. Suppose my flagellant attacks the enemy, succeeds on the "to-hit" roll. Now he is going to do flail damage + flagellant strength + 2d6-OE - enemyprotection - 2d6-OE. Right?

Now suppose he is blessed and gets the fire attack. Then he does the above, and then after that he does 8 + 2d6-OE - (enemyprotection/2) - 2d6-OE ?

I guess that makes sense.