OT:Why Aliens dont come here

Alneyan · #1 December 7th, 2004, 06:32 PM

If you were speaking of the Last fifty years, your statement was indeed correct. China had fewer than 600 million inhabitants in the 1953 census (how reliable this census was is another matter), but more than 1,250 million inhabitants in 2000 (the figure is now estimated to be slightly under 1,3000 million), which would be a twofold increase in roughly fifty years. During this period, China had a growth rate around 2% per year, and the number of children per woman was much higher, especially before 1975.

My point was that China's population growth is decreasing nowadays, making a twofold increase in fifty years no longer possible (with the current trends that is). How quickly will their growth slow down is another question; the estimated value for 2004 is 0.57%, which seems quite low compared to the 1% of the previous years (or 0.9% in 2001). But predicting the future is not something I will try. I have read about estimates going from 1,400 million inhabitants to 1,600 before their population growth stops (once again with the present tendencies).

Starhawk · #2 December 7th, 2004, 06:47 PM

Yeah but I've also run across articles and the like that say by 2057 Africa's population will be less then 100 million due to AIDS and other stuff, I don't know how some "scientists" come up with such projections but it just doesn't sound right an entire Continent reduced to 100 million people.

Anyone got any real info on the Africa thing because as I said many times before i love learning the "facts" of things I've read about so if you'd like you can PM me with the info

Alneyan · #3 December 7th, 2004, 07:30 PM

I would believe AIDS to be particularly devastating because it is easily transmitted to offsprings, which will carry the virus themselves, and so on. That is closer to biology though, and not exactly my field of study, so I should keep quiet here.

Add to that the usual problems (wars, corruption, not so nice leaders, malnutrition, shortage of water...), and you could reach a very bleak projection. Of course, it would not be possible to know whether these problems will be so worse as to destroy Africa's population, or if the very high number of children per woman will be enough, or... The growth rate was still positive Last year (2.3%), and you would probably need dramatic events in the future to bring the 840 million inhabitants of Africa down to 100 millions in fifty years (not the kind of things I would like to see myself).

Sivran · #4 December 7th, 2004, 10:33 PM

Palestinians and Israelis fight over "holy land" among other things.

Islamic fundamentlist extremists (note the extremist qualifier) fly planes into buildings, blow themselves up in malls, cars, and anywhere else they can cause a lot of pain.

And that's just off the top of my head without going very far back. You can't simply ignore the violence done by those claiming to be "doing god's work".

Religion, money/trade, resources, and survival. These are all primary causes for war. Any war can be put into one or more of these four boxes.

Starhawk · #5 December 8th, 2004, 01:28 AM

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Sivran said:
Palestinians and Israelis fight over "holy land" among other things.

Islamic fundamentlist extremists (note the extremist qualifier) fly planes into buildings, blow themselves up in malls, cars, and anywhere else they can cause a lot of pain.

And that's just off the top of my head without going very far back. You can't simply ignore the violence done by those claiming to be "doing god's work".

Religion, money/trade, resources, and survival. These are all primary causes for war. Any war can be put into one or more of these four boxes.

Oh yeah and we all know atheistic governments have proven themselves totally worthwhile and innocent (gag)

Stalin=Atheist (his only "spiritual" beleif was that humanity in and of it's self was some sort of divinity unless of course they were peasents who died in their millions for him)
Hitler=Occultist (the occult is not a religion)
Chinese Leaders=Atheist (China Banned religion and the state line is Atheism)
PRK Leaders= Atheist (Same deal as China)

Yeah and we all know just how caring and loving these people are don't we?

It is a foolish and ignorant thing to blame the problems of the world on religion, trust me if there was no religion I'd still hate you for some reason if I wanted to.

Fyron · #6 December 8th, 2004, 01:37 AM

Religion has no place in government. Period. Religion in government will _always_ lead to unfair treatment of those that are not of that religion, and favoritism for those that are of that religion. It is why the US was supposed to have a complete and total separation of church and state...

See the link that Brianeyci posted. Hitler was a Catholic, not an occultist...

Religion is not required for morality. Assuming that it is just plain wrong. Atheism is not immoral. Atheists are not immoral. Religious people are not moral. Some people are both religious and moral, certainly, but there are plenty that are religious and immoral. There really is no correlation between morality and piety.

Starhawk · #7 December 8th, 2004, 01:43 AM

Your right about the fact that government and religion have no place together.

Uhm okay then how come every history show I've ever seen and book I've ever read said he was deep into the occult? And how come he Banned religion then? you can't be a catholic in a state where religion is Banned.

Yes but religion is not the cause of all the world's wars and crap.