OT:Why Aliens dont come here

[narf poit chez BOOM]

I am a better person because of my religeon than I would be without it. No other institution, save that of my family, I have ever encountered, could have taught me morality so successfully.

[brianeyci]

Unfortunately I have to admit it, but watching reruns of TNG after coming home from school at 4:00 pm (yes, I rushed home to watch it) is what I attribute to some of my morality. Especially the "Prime Directive" and live and let live philosophy, although now that I'm older I see Star Trek as a totally unworkable dream fantasy and the possibility a "Prime Directive" mentality being used as justification of withholding help from needy people.

Brian

[Fyron]

brianeyci said:
Unfortunately I have to admit it, but watching reruns of TNG after coming home from school at 4:00 pm (yes, I rushed home to watch it) is what I attribute to some of my morality. Especially the "Prime Directive" and live and let live philosophy, although now that I'm older I see Star Trek as a totally unworkable dream fantasy and the possibility a "Prime Directive" mentality being used as justification of withholding help from needy people.

There were a number of episodes where it was indeed used to withhold help from needy people, just because it would interfere with their development.

[brianeyci]

Imperator Fyron said:There were a number of episodes where it was indeed used to withhold help from needy people, just because it would interfere with their development.

Yes well Picard always gave a long-winded philosophical speech about withholding help, and me being 10-14 or so I bought into a lot of them, until I was older and realized that his philosophical justification was really a practical justification. The Feds can't help everybody around, because they need to keep control of their technology and wouldn't have the resources to help every downtrodden alien race that comes along.

Brian

[narf poit chez BOOM]

Nothing wrong with that. One of our LDS (The other short form, not LSD) beliefs is 'if there is anything virtious, lovely or of good report, or praiseworthy, we seek after these things.' As I remember it. My memory might not be exact, but the meaning is clear.

[Fyron]

narf poit chez BOOM said:
I am a better person because of my religeon than I would be without it. No other institution, save that of my family, I have ever encountered, could have taught me morality so successfully.

Your family could easily have taught you morality in the absence of religion. It happens all the time. Religion is in no way required for morality.

[Starhawk]

[/quote]Your family could easily have taught you morality in the absence of religion. It happens all the time. Religion is in no way required for morality.

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Well Imperator as I said you are free to hold to your own beliefs in this country, and I suppose to understand what a Christian (I am talking about a good normal person that happens to be a christian, not including the far right or far left Groups in this term) means when they say that they are better because of their religious beleifs then they would be without them you'd have to feel it for yourself.

It truely is different to have faith then simple morality.

As a friend of mine often said
"Faith does not equal morality and morality does not equal faith, one can exist with out the other, but when they become one it is a far better thing."

It is true I can have faith in God but be immoral I can also have faith in only myself but be a very "moral" person, Religion and morality are not by default in the same boat and each can exist without the other but it's always better to have Faith in God AND be moral then just to be Moral in my opinion

[Starhawk]

LOL I always saw the Federation as a weak organization, I mean the Klingons and Romulans BOTH being warlike expansionistic empires should be able to easily kick the crap out of such a weak and gutless group.

[brianeyci]

Starhawk said:It is true I can have faith in God but be immoral I can also have faith in only myself but be a very "moral" person, Religion and morality are not by default in the same boat and each can exist without the other but it's always better to have Faith in God AND be moral then just to be Moral in my opinion

Sorry, but your opinion is offensive and wrong. By suggesting that it is better to have "faith" and morality than simple morality, you are almost suggesting that your morality is superior to someone else's morality who doesn't have "faith". Define what you mean to "have faith" and define what you mean to be "moral".

If you choose "having faith" to be something really ambigious, like being optimistic and thinking there is a creator out there, it is different than saying "having faith" and intepreting the words in the Bible.

At risk of sounding offensive to you, "in my opinion", faith is something that a person needs to think that they have a purpose in life/are superior to those without faith, including other types of lifeforms. In other words, "faith" is burying your head in the sand "in my opinion" (see how offensive that sounds lol).

Brian

[narf poit chez BOOM]

brianeyci said:
At risk of sounding offensive to you, "in my opinion", faith is something that a person needs to think that they have a purpose in life/are superior to those without faith, including other types of lifeforms. In other words, "faith" is burying your head in the sand "in my opinion" (see how offensive that sounds lol).

Brian

Plenty of people do both without faith.

Could we quit trying to offend each other now?