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December 18th, 2004, 10:37 AM
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Re: OT: An Interesting Read About Bit-Torrents
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Software liscenses, BTW, are legally probably worth much less than the time it takes to click them. Many include illegal clauses, add conditions after the fact to a sale (illegal), and/or can't even be read until after you've bought and opened the software. All of that makes it seriously questionable if they can be enforced.
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There has been a ruling in Missouri (in early October 2004) that EULAs are actually enforceable, if you have given your agreement (you should be fine before clicking the Ok button). I think the case was about Blizzard and reverse engineering, which was forbidden by the terms of the licence.
So EULAs can be used in courts, though I believe a district ruling is not enough to be applied to the whole federation; still, it may be used as a precedence I guess. But don't quote me on that, since I am no lawyer. |
December 18th, 2004, 12:09 PM
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Re: OT: An Interesting Read About Bit-Torrents
Hmm... would that imply that if you found a way to skip the "I agree" portion of the installation (say you copied a CD image to your HD, found the text of the EULA, altered it, then burned a CD off the new image and installed) you'd be in the clear? I've suddenly got this strange desire to tinker....
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December 18th, 2004, 07:37 PM
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Re: OT: An Interesting Read About Bit-Torrents
Another reason to read before you sign.
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December 18th, 2004, 08:16 PM
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Re: OT: An Interesting Read About Bit-Torrents
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Another reason to read before you sign.
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How do you sign a CD?
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December 18th, 2004, 08:38 PM
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Re: OT: An Interesting Read About Bit-Torrents
According to some EULA's, clicking the 'I Agree' button is the same as your legal signature.
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December 18th, 2004, 09:08 PM
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Re: OT: An Interesting Read About Bit-Torrents
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According to some EULA's, clicking the 'I Agree' button is the same as your legal signature.
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Which in reality it isn't... most EULAs contain illegal clauses... |
December 18th, 2004, 09:33 PM
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Re: OT: An Interesting Read About Bit-Torrents
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How do you sign a CD?
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That's a good point. You can't agree to the EULA of a store bought game or app until after you've purchased it. If you don't agree to the EULA you've just wasted your money because you can't return opened software.
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What I am asking is, do you have a right that you are losing here?
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By legal precedent, yes. According to Title 17 Chapter 1 of the US code, also yes.
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That's what I mean when I ask if this is an inalienable right.
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Inalienable, well... depends on who you ask. Some hold that it is a part of free speech and therefor it would be. I'm not sure if I would take it that far. 
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December 18th, 2004, 09:32 PM
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Re: OT: An Interesting Read About Bit-Torrents
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narf poit chez BOOM said:
According to some EULA's, clicking the 'I Agree' button is the same as your legal signature.
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Most EULA's also have "playing the game means you agree to this"
Which happens to absurd..
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