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July 15th, 2001, 04:42 AM
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Re: OFF TOPIC - The IOC sucks.
quote: Originally posted by capt_spoogy:
I guess Toronto will have to wait until 2012 or 2016 to run again. (PS, We ran for 1996 and lost to Atlanta by a slim margin too).
If nothing else, Spoogy, remember Athens-- they made (and narrowly lost) quite a few bids before landing 2004.
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July 15th, 2001, 09:21 AM
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Re: OFF TOPIC - The IOC sucks.
Tell me something, the West, especially the US just NEEDS a political enemy right? First you have got the ex-USSR and now China. I personally is from Hong Kong, and I get to see a lot of things first hand. I spent a year studying in the US and it really surprised me that China got such a bad stereotype, definitely not helped by your local Press. Bad things always got colourfully exaggerated many times over and put on the front page, good things rarely if ever got mentioned. Beware that what you see on the news might not be the whole picture.
Freedom and human rights? While I agree that China could make use of a better government system, it seems rather strange that people not even living in the country is pushing for a change harder than the Chinese themselves. In any case it is slowly changing anyway. Has it ever occured to you that the current batch of key decision makers is totally different from the one in 1989? Why do you think this is so? Don't expect everything to change over-night though, because it can't.
I have no idea why you guys living half-way around the world always seem to care about the "human rights" or "freedom" in China, I hope it is not an excuse to bannish the Chinese people (put it frankly, that is called racism). It is best to leave them to decide their own future. Trying to alienate China or pushing it into doing things the Western way is really counter-productive, it is going to do nothing but bring anger from the Chinese people. Take the latest 2008 Olympic decision for example, human rights is really not an excuse for not letting Beijing to host the Game. What's more important is, do the local people want the Game? I can tell you the answer is an affirmative 'yes'.
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July 15th, 2001, 02:28 PM
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Re: OFF TOPIC - The IOC sucks.
quote: Originally posted by CW:
I have no idea why you guys living half-way around the world always seem to care about the "human rights" or "freedom" in China
well, I can only speak for myself, and it may sound pretty ****ty, but I'm a nationalist. I like to think that my country and form of government is better than everyone elses. Moreover, Im an imperialist in the same way that the british were imperialists when they burned washington, and the french were imperialists when they were raping Africa.
I like to think that my country is entitled to some kind of emminent domain over the rest of the world. And I would like to think that every other person in the world feels the same way about their own country. Thus, I can be sure that everyone else distrusts and dislikes me and my culture, and I can feel safe in a world of mutual hatred and political strife.
I feel like my way of life is being jepordized whenever the world 'gets smaller' and things happen like the berlin wall coming down, or russia falling apart, or china and tiawan improving their relationships. thats why I play WAR games. I like to fantasize about human suffering and imperialist conquest from the safty of my own home.
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July 15th, 2001, 06:15 PM
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Re: OFF TOPIC - The IOC sucks.
quote: Originally posted by capt_spoogy:
Why does it seem unfair that a country that has such a long history of abusing human rights and denying freedom to it's people be rewarded with something as special as the Olympic games
So why do the US get to have the olympics now and then? (I know you are Canadian, and I'm not verbally assaulting you) The US are the real threat to human rights and the so called democracy.
In the sixties (or was it the seventies?) a radiostation in the US refused to play Phil Collins because he had black musicians in his band.
Today the countyside in southern states looks like a poor country in southamerica or something.
Then some Americans (US Americans) say that Iran or Iraq are controlled by religious fanatics. Take a look at your own country. Take a look at Ricki Lake. Take a look at your money bills.
"In god we trust"
Yeah, right! Who is the real fanatic, here?
US is much younger than china and should show some respect for its older "brother".
Chinese ppl think in another way than Americans - and if their vision of human rights are different, then let it be so.
US executes ppl too, you know. In the US alot of ppl have nowhere to sleep, nothing to eat.
In the US you can't even have a proper election. That is not democracy.
What's the big deal with the olympics anyway?
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[This message has been edited by Lucanos (edited 15 July 2001).]
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July 15th, 2001, 06:32 PM
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Re: OFF TOPIC - The IOC sucks.
quote: Originally posted by Hadrian Aventine:
I really don't like communism as it often goes from being communism to dictatorships really fast.
The difference between the chinese and you, in this sense, is that they know they live in a dictatorship.
You don't!
You think your country is "the free world", don't you?
I'm sorry to tell you that EU propaganda against the US is saying something else. Most Swedish and Danish citizens I know think that the US is alot WORSE than sovietunion ever was. You US citizens (as I refuse to call you "Americans") have no idea.
On the other hand, I can't say I blame you for beliving that your country is a free one. The propaganda in the US is so intense.
Whenever I see the newspaper here in Sweden or in the UK - G. W. Bush looks like a moron. They prefer to publish pictures where he's got stupid expressions.
When I came to the US (A couple of months ago - I have cousins there) the pictures of Bush in the newspapers where totaly different, he looked alot smarter and somewhat cool in his trenchcoat and hat.
Human rights? What's with vietnam? Was that a humane thing to do?
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July 15th, 2001, 08:42 PM
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Re: OFF TOPIC - The IOC sucks.
From a sports standpoint having China host the games is long overdue. The country contains about 1/6th of the worlds population. They are competitive in most events and dominate some. It's about time they had "the home field advantage".
The Olympics are not suppose to be about politics they are suppose to be about sport. Why we insist on making it political is beyond me but as far as I can tell it's mostly western countries who start the debate.
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July 15th, 2001, 08:58 PM
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Re: OFF TOPIC - The IOC sucks.
CW - Don't assume ALL the west is moulding China into an enemy. Personally being from Toronto, with one of the largest ethnic Chinese communities in the world - I have met and work with a lot of Chinese people who have shared with me their experiences in China - and why they choose to come to Canada.
[quote] While I agree that China could make use of a better government system, it seems rather strange that people not even living in the country is pushing for a change harder than the Chinese themselves.[quote]
Perhaps it's because they get mowed down by tanks or just plain disappear when they do...
I sympathize with the people living in China and I wish them to enjoy the freedoms that I have. In some ways I'm glad they got the olympics - but it worries me that the people who control China will use it as a propaganda display saying there's no problem with their country during those 16 days...
I'm not saying that China should become like the west (not just the US). I think in this day and age that should be moving towards democracy a lot faster than they are. If the majority of Chinese know what the west was really like (as oppossed to the propaganda fed to them) - what lifestyle would they choose?
Lucanos - Please be careful not to heap in Canada in the same pile as the US. Just because we're on the same continent and share a lot of things does not mean we practice the same politics or culture. I've lived in both countries - and find that Canadian politics have a lot more in common with European countries.
Also with the US, it varies from region to region. The Northwest for example is suprisingly different from the south and so on. I'm sure the Americans on this board will agree. Sure they messed up a lot of things, but they're really not that bad - plus without them you guys in Europe might still be living in a Nazi regime...
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