OFF TOPIC - The IOC sucks.

Lucanos · #1 July 18th, 2001, 10:29 PM

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Originally posted by Phoenix-D:
First, Vietnam. Happened in the 1960s, early 70s. If you can bring that up, I can bring up France executing people right up to 1977.

Since the US basically has the same political system today as in the sixties - I can bring that up! And those god damn french idiots need some critisism - so go ahead.

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Originally posted by Phoenix-D:
Second, the death penalty. China excecutes a lot more people than the US does, and for lesser crimes.

Yes, and they execute "innocent" people, just as the US do. In my oppinion it doesn't matter how many you execute. I'm not "against" US death penalty, I'm just saying that it bears witness of how "far" the US legal system has evolved.

If a country needs to execute its population there also needs to be a major flaw in its political system. The death penalty shows us that the US political system is far behind in the evolution.

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Originally posted by Phoenix-D:
I'm also trying to figure out why a lot of people seem to think their local news is the only word. You called the EU news propaganda along with the US news, but then you go on to take their viewpoint!

No Way! - I don't belive GW Bush is a retard - I belive he is very smart - and very "dangerous".

Phoenix-D · #2 July 18th, 2001, 10:39 PM

I was talking mostly about..

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The difference between the chinese and you, in this sense, is that they know they live in a dictatorship.

You don't!

You think your country is "the free world", don't you?

I'm sorry to tell you that EU propaganda against the US is saying something else. Most Swedish and Danish citizens I know think that the US is alot WORSE than sovietunion ever was. You US citizens (as I refuse to call you "Americans") have no idea.

..that.

Phoenix-D

Lucanos · #3 July 18th, 2001, 10:44 PM

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Originally posted by Marty Ward:

Luc,
You're right the US is not a Democracy, we are a Republic and the election was held properly according to the laws in effect at the time of the election.

You must have spent a lot of time in our country. I've lived here over 50 years and haven't seen any country side that looks like a poor South American country. Maybe I've just been lucky.

PS-Europeans may think Bush is a moron but he was smart enough to get elected President of the most powerful country in the world. Would he have been smarter if he were elected Prime Minister of Sweden?

I've heard alot of US politicians/millitary ppl say: "We must defend democracy" and such. If they weren't talking about the US maybe you know what democracy they were talking about?

Your question wether Bush would have been smarter if he was Swedish or not is irrelevant - since I was talking about PROPAGANDA. But I bet that swedish propaganda would have made Bush looked smarter if he was a Swedish minister.

I would also like to comment your statement: "...the election was held properly according to the laws in effect at the time of the election."

It shows us what kind of laws are in effect in your country. I want nothing to do with those laws, but unfortunantly I have no choice since the "too big corporations" are in power today.

And they really like that kind of UNCULTIVATED law.

Is there any culture, in the US, that doesn't bring any money? Except for a few idealists I don't think I've seen any.

Lucanos · #4 July 18th, 2001, 10:54 PM

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Originally posted by Phoenix-D:
I was talking mostly about.. ...that

...ahhh. Okay, I see. Those anti-US thoughts comes mostly from the cultural elite, and in this case the propaganda reflects the thoughts if this "elite" - not the other way around.

Europe is not "better" than US in any way, Im not saying that.

But I think we have some thoughts regarding some negative aspects of your country, that is coherent with reality - that most of the US citizens don't.

Most US citizens I've been speaking to, actually think that their country is "the best country in the world".

I like Sweden - because swedish taxpayers have payed for my education, healthcare (almost free in sweden), and has given me alot of money when I was out looking for a job. Of course, I'm a patriot - a nationalist - I love sweden.

But I KNOW that Sweden is not perfect - that many countries in the third world has things that we don't.

Money isn't everything.

Lucanos · #5 July 18th, 2001, 10:58 PM

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Originally posted by capt_spoogy:

Lucanos - Please be careful not to heap in Canada in the same pile as the US. Just because we're on the same continent and share a lot of things does not mean we practice the same politics or culture. I've lived in both countries - and find that Canadian politics have a lot more in common with European countries.

I would NEVER compare an evolved nation such as canada with a barbaric lowlife nation such as the US.

That is why I pointed out that I knew you were from Canada so you wouldn't feel bad when I critizised the US.

Unfortunantly I failed.

Alpha Kodiak · #6 July 19th, 2001, 12:35 AM

It's funny how people love to criticize the U.S. as a "barbaric, lowlife nation", right up until they want our money....

Phoenix-D · #7 July 19th, 2001, 01:16 AM

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I've heard alot of US politicians/millitary ppl say: "We must defend democracy" and such. If they weren't talking about the US maybe you know what democracy they were talking about?

Maybe because they say what sounds good? I trust a politician- especiallly a career one like, oh, Strom Thurmond (this guy ran against Truman from President in the 1940s, and he's STILL in the Senate)- about as far as I can throw them.

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But I KNOW that Sweden is not perfect - that many countries in the third world has things that we don't.

Best does not equal perfect.

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I like Sweden - because swedish taxpayers have payed for my education, healthcare (almost free in sweden), and has given me alot of money when I was out looking for a job. Of course, I'm a patriot - a nationalist - I love sweden.

You ARE aware that many Americans think that's wrong, right?

Our welfare system encourages leeching, really.

Heathcare- Canada apparently has a similar system. Lots of Candians come to the US for various proceedures. (aside from prescription drugs, which are ususally cheaper elsewhere because of price caps, amoung other reasons).

If you can't get an education here (past high school), you've got a problem. Between the scholarships- some offered because of merit, some because of financial situation- grants (see scholarships), low-interest, delayed payback loans and lowcost local community colleges (at least in Arizona, dunno about other states), and work-study programs, you should be able to afford an education.

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barbaric lowlife nation

Gee, thanks, I'll remember that the next time I send a letter to my Congressman about aid to other countries. You know, like the debts accumulated during WW2/1 that I think ONE nation payed back? The Marshal plan? (I'd quote more recent, but I don't have specifics offhand) The various relief organizations too, though not all of those are government funded.

Guess you'll have to get off the internet too then, seeing how it was designed mostly by US scientists..

Oh, and please explain to me why, if the US is a barbaric nation, immigrents from various countries attempt to enter all the time?

Do I need to go on?

Any country has it's failings. The US has plenty of them.

EDIT: speaking of which..

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But I think we have some thoughts regarding some negative aspects of your country, that is coherent with reality - that most of the US citizens don't.

Explain something, please. This actually applies to both sides here, but-what negative aspects are you talking about, and why would you have a better perspective than US citizens? Where are you getting your information? You've already admitted the local news sources are propaganda right along with US news, so it isn't that, is it?

Phoenix-D

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