OT: Totally P!ssed off at UPN

[Atrocities]

We saw this coming two years ago. UPN is just a horrid network. Enterprise would have been far more popular if it had gone into sindication like STNG and DS9 had. I love Enterprise and hate to see it go. Even with all of the gay *** violation of established Trek history, it was a good series to watch. In the end they could have explained it all away as a temperal shiver or something.

This is what happens when you let people who hate TOS and STNG run things. Oh well. UPN is just a horrid network.

And on a side note. The quality of Stargate has begun to slip with its last few episodes. I am sickened at how the Sci-Fi channel has adversily influenced the production quality of Stargate SG1. These last few episodes just lack the finished feel that the series has pioneered. They seem more like the fast paced, poorly editted Andromeda series than they do SG1.

[Starhawk]

UPN Sucks raw butt, that's a fact, but I wish that Enterprise would find a new home.

[Atrocities]

Lets face it, we all knew that they would be lucky to see five seasons. It angers me greatly that the series was shuffled butted around on that god forsaken crap network UPN, but that is the name of the game when your dealing with idiot dribble like the SOB's that run UPN. Hell my retard stepbrother could run UPN far better than the momma's boys they got now.

And WTF was paramount thinking any ways? It sickens me that they would produce seven years of that shudder inducing, barf summoning Voyager, but cancel ENT after only four simple getting to know you seasons.

This is just a clear indication of how utterly enept the people running Paramount, Star Trek, and UPN are. They refuse to listen to the fans, play shuffle board with the time slots, and employ hack writers to come up with "Romulan" episodes for a series that by all rights SHOULD NOT HAVE HAD Romulans in it.

Oh there was a work around for it, but again the idiot yuppies who were producing Enterprise refused to listen. The show suffored, the fan base evaporated, and now the show is all but failed. This is a sad day indeed. Not since TOS was cancelled have we seen such a thing.

When you consider the fans stupid, and refuse to listen to what they are saying, and go ahead and produce episodes that decimate establish Trek lore, you get burned.

If I were producing Enterprise the first rule I would have had would have been to state that the Romulan Conflict happened BEFORE the series started. Or, even better, have the Romulan Conflict as the catalyst for Enterprise and not this crappy *** temperal war BS that was force fed to us.

The reason that no one knew what the Romulan looked like was because Star Fleet deemed it top secret in order to preserver the Human Vulcan alliance. Hell if people of earth found out that the people they just fought a war with were the direct ansestors of their ally, they would raise holly hell over it.

But oh no, this was to complicated for the Dumb arse over at Paramount to figure out.

The Klingon ridge issue could have been explained away as the Klingons while attempting to appear more human in order to inflitrate the Federation, suffored a horrific biological catastrophy that resulted in the genetic alteration of their appearance and swept through their poplulace like a raging plague.

The Klingons would be embarassed by this and would spend the next 120 years looking for a way to reverse it. This would explain away the differance between TOS and TMP klingons. Again, this was too complicated for the writers to figure out.

I am so PO'ed right now that I need to go do something else.

I should post this over at www.startrek.com

(Remember you cannot use names when making direct comments about poeple because those named might sue you for emotional or professional distress. GD cry babies!)

[Randallw]

a series that by all rights SHOULD NOT HAVE HAD Romulans in it.

What exactly was the problem?. As far as I know they had an episode with a Romulan minefield. Ok, that's where they meet. Lately they had the Romulans attacking, but as far as I know you never see a Romulan except by themselves.

[Atrocities]

The latest episodes have had romulans in them.

And for the record, I am not saying anything bad about Enterprise. I like the show. I simply feel, as do 90% of the fan base, that they should NEVER have use Romulans in the way that they did. Watch TOS "Balance Of Terror" and you will see why. Arguements about Romulans being included are nullified by that TOS episode. It should have been the basis for the series bible when dealing with the Romulans. Sure the Romulans could have been in the series, but not in the way that Brandon and company have used them. That is simply to much of a standing insult to the fan base and they made it clear that they are not happy. Four years and the series is toast.

FAN
"Why did you cancel Enterprise?"

UPN
"Enterprise simply did not meet the needs of our targetted demographic viewer base."

FAN
"What exactly does that mean?"

UPN
"After many days of targeted selection, we came to the conclusion that Enterprise was simply not deverse enough in its execution to meet the educational abilities of our targetted demographic audiance."

FAN
"Excuse me, I don't understand. What exactly does that mean?"

UPN
"Enterprise simply was to cerebral for our viewers."

FAN
"Then you consider your viewers to be stupid?"

UPN
"Exactly. Just look at our programing and you'll see why."

[narf poit chez BOOM]

Read a good book. Try David Weber, David Drake(Be carefull; some of his stuff goes way beyond R), Eric Flint, Ryk Spoor, Julia E. Czerneda(Beholder's Eye series), Katherine Kerr, Anne McAffrey(Pern series and Brainship series), some of David Eddings(A little preachy in places), Alan Dean Foster(Especially the Flinx books).

And that's just off the top of my head. Those writers can provide a lot more entertainment than just about any tv show, ever.

[narf poit chez BOOM]

Forgot Fred Saberhagen and Patricia C. Wrede.

[Starhawk]

Yeah I read one thing from David Drake in the "Fleet Series" and the moment he started mentioning a guy finger ****ing a woman's bum I figured out he can go FAR beyond R lol.

Anyway Ent's writers were trying to get back on track this season as I understand it, and sadly UPN decided they are probobly gonna throw in yet another all black casted show just like they did when they replaced Special Unit 2 (which wasn't so great granted but THE PARKERS GAW!) anyway they suck and I hope ENT gets picked up by a network that knows what the hell they are doing.

[edit] Okay I just realized that might soudn racist, please let me explain:

A. Some of my best friends are of other races so I have no problem with black people.

B. I DO HOWEVER have a problem with the fact that every show has to have a "token black guy" to keep from being sued for this or that, yet we see shows like "The Parkers" and the like which have no white folks unless it's to make fun of them and they don't get in trouble.

C. I DO have a problem with UPN because they seem to be turning into a second BET and have killed good shows because they are not "ethnic" enough........think about it (rolleyes)

D. Again I have no problem with black people as a whole just when it falls into catagory B and C

[Sivran]

Atrocities said:
When you consider the fans stupid, and refuse to listen to what they are saying, and go ahead and produce episodes that decimate establish Trek lore, you get burned.

What established Star Trek lore? There are continuity breaches in practically every episode ever produced. Enterprise was nothing earth-shattering, in this respect.

If I were producing Enterprise the first rule I would have had would have been to state that the Romulan Conflict happened BEFORE the series started. Or, even better, have the Romulan Conflict as the catalyst for Enterprise and not this crappy *** temperal war BS that was force fed to us.

There was a theory bandied about that Enterprise wasn't really about the past, it was about the future Feds using the Enterprise as a pawn in their affairs. Also, when your lead is the former lead from Quantum Leap, Time Travel is to be expected.

The Klingon ridge issue could have been explained away as the Klingons while attempting to appear more human in order to inflitrate the Federation, suffored a horrific biological catastrophy that resulted in the genetic alteration of their appearance and swept through their poplulace like a raging plague.

The Klingons would be embarassed by this and would spend the next 120 years looking for a way to reverse it. This would explain away the differance between TOS and TMP klingons. Again, this was too complicated for the writers to figure out.

This IS in fact the official story-related explanation given, or something close to it anyway. It was more simplistic, ie, the klingons seen in TOS were the genetically altered variety, and the rest are the original stock.

The truth is less dramatic: they simply didn't have the money (or makeup technology) when TOS aired to give the klingons their intended appearance. (Source: Star Trek Memories, William Shatner)

[Colonel]

Wow angered trek fans, we need shelter lots of beer and food for the next few months. Now run go find this and get back before the Angered trek fans