America the Police State

[Baron Munchausen]

Interesting thought, considering whether the containment of singularities is possible in such a small device rather than worrying about the truth of the time travel discussion. But as I said, any errors of scientific fact can be attributed to his own misunderstanding of the processes involved. The actual predictions are much more important.

If his predictions turn out to be more-or-less correct, it's probably smarter to leave the country than to build a shelter anyway. And besides that, travel can be interesting and worthwhile for other reasons than fleeing conflicts.

[Suicide Junkie]

The tech is totally bogus.

The discussion the political statements generate is the only thing about it that really matters.

[sachmo]

Baron Munchausen said:
Interesting thought, considering whether the containment of singularities is possible in such a small device rather than worrying about the truth of the time travel discussion. But as I said, any errors of scientific fact can be attributed to his own misunderstanding of the processes involved. The actual predictions are much more important.

If his predictions turn out to be more-or-less correct, it's probably smarter to leave the country than to build a shelter anyway. And besides that, travel can be interesting and worthwhile for other reasons than fleeing conflicts.

Well, I wouldn't lose sleep over his predictions turning out correct.

So the bit of science that Titor offers is debunked by someone who seems to know what they are talking about, and we can just sidestep this by saying that Titor himself didn't "understand science"?

It's a good study in human behavior, I'd say, but a bit sad, too.

[Baron Munchausen]

A degree doesn't make you automatically right. The 'debunker' makes several obvious mistakes himself, such as the mass of the black holes. It is clearly stated in Titor's posts that they are around 200 pounds each, so that the machine is around 500 pounds total. And yet he insists on claiming that he couldn't possibly have a machine that size with a metric ton (2,200 lbs) of black holes in it. Well, since he doesn't claim to have one, the impossibility of this 'fact' doesn't amount to a 'disproof' of anything, does it? This is called the 'straw man' in logic. A fake rebuttal of something that the other party didn't claim.

I repeat, he didn't claim to know the science, so his knowledge of the science isn't a worthwhile test of his reliability. Would you like to compare "Titor's" description of how his time machine works with the current 'man on the street' description of things like nuclear power plants or even plain old consumer PCs or passenger cars?

The internal consistency of the predictions is much more interesting. There are some potential problems, but it's been a while since I read the material and don't have the time/motivation to go back and find the problems I had noticed again.

[Gozra]

Well The american police state strikes a nerve in me. We can see at this moment in time that Security in all phases of american life is if not the topmost concern in the top ten at least. When I saw this Titor thing I had several conflicts with it. But after reading the original exchanges little tidbits began add up.
1. Mad cow desiese is becoming more wide spread including deer and Elk populations in the midwest and recent research shows that just about all tissues are suspect and it is jumping from species.
2. Titor is asleep when he time travels for a soldier( I was in the Marines) you sleep when you can and that statement lends itself to authenticty.
3. The sabbath was moved back to Saturday. Very interesting as the Bible indicates that the Sabbath should be on a Saturday.
4. "internet nodes" I have done research and this technolgy is just now in it's infancy and it is being aimed at small towns and rural areas.
5. In just this past year solar cells new and improved are getting ready to enter the market.
6. Open sourced programming is just now starting to nibble at the Quality of our software and pushing improving it.


I am looking for seeds of the predicted civil war and I am hard pressed to detect it. But I think back on the War of northern aggression and wonder if more than a handful could see a fullblown war coming. With our 20/20 hindsight it is easy to pick out the signs.

As far as the american police state and noticing that more and more people are going to jail and wondering when the next terriorist attack will occur and the militant supporters of the anti-republicans and the a weird fact that hardly anyone trust the media.
Well this Titor fellow is hitting close to home. I hope most of it is just coincidence. But it does not hurt to be cautious.

[AMF]

Gozra said:
But I think back on the War of northern aggression...

I am SO not going to bite. Look at me not biting. Not at all.

[douglas]

Angband or one of its many variants.

[Suicide Junkie]

Baron Munchausen said:
A degree doesn't make you automatically right. The 'debunker' makes several obvious mistakes himself, such as the mass of the black holes. It is clearly stated in Titor's posts that they are around 200 pounds each, so that the machine is around 500 pounds total. And yet he insists on claiming that he couldn't possibly have a machine that size with a metric ton (2,200 lbs) of black holes in it. Well, since he doesn't claim to have one, the impossibility of this 'fact' doesn't amount to a 'disproof' of anything, does it? This is called the 'straw man' in logic. A fake rebuttal of something that the other party didn't claim.

He was being generous with the extra weight.
A truck sagging ton is the biggest size you could hope for without blowing the whole story on a blatantly obvious level.
Unfortunately, even with a hole of 10^12 kg you can't keep TWO electrons in the hole.
Making them smaller makes them even more insanely unstable.

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PS:
Ignorance of the law is no excuse for supposed violations.
Would you believe him if he claimed to have a perpetual motion machine, just because he dosen't know how it works?

[NarfsCompIsBack]

This thread needs a sanity check, methinks.

[Instar]

Cthulu bless america and the republican party. Don't choose the lesser evil, vote Cthulu