Lamias vs mandragoras

[TheBirthdayParty]

One thing I forgot that could very well make mandragoras better is that, i believe, they aren't affected by morale. IE-no routing worries.

[Hakko]

Ivy Kings get 4 vine ogres/summoning at a cost of 1N per spell. That's pretty good economics after a few turns. 20 vine ogres is a very nice meat shield. Twenty ogres in five turns for 25N (20N for Ivy King plus 5 for the ogres) vs. 20 turns for 20N (assuming one caster and no ivy crown) is a pretty good tradeoff.

[Boron]

Ivy kings have also the advantage to be good Battlemages .
They are a very worthy charm platform

[Hakko]

Yes, they are a favorite summons whenever I have good access to Nature.

[Boron]

Hakko said:
Yes, they are a favorite summons whenever I have good access to Nature.

Yeah they are imo even the most useful nature summon .

[Hakko]

(Charm)(Relief)(Charm)(Relief)(Charm) is a wonderful thing.

[Boron]

Hakko said:
(Charm)(Relief)(Charm)(Relief)(Charm) is a wonderful thing.

I normally try to get a few Ivy kings and script then 2 to relief x5 and the others to charm x5 .
1 reliefcaster does normally as first casting mass regeneration and the 2nd mass protection .

My atm "optimal" lategame army has a few tartarians , a few ivy kings and as troops either mech men or devils .

I try to make 2-3 such good armies and minor enemy armies i try to beat with artillery spells or horrors or ghost riders .

The big army with the invy kings has good chances to get a few additional wraithlords by charming if someone decides to ghostrider it

[ioticus]

One thing I like to do with man is make 5 Ivy Kings as soon as possible and set each to cast a monthly ritual of summon vine ogre. It has a high upfront cost of 100N but you'll be glad you did it when you're producing 20 vine ogres a turn for a cost of 5N.