OT (or is it?): American Imperialism

[Captain Kwok]

Umm, there is no free trade agreement between the US and China...

[Atrocities]

Captain Kwok said:
Umm, there is no free trade agreement between the US and China...

Yes, yes their is Kwok, and yes situation it has caused is real and not imagined Kwok. Needless to say it functions as Free Trade. Our deficate in trade to chine is huge and growing. If not for the tarrifs placed on Chines high end TV's one or more US Television manufactures would have been run out of business.

Front Line Story

This is indicitive of a lot of businesses. More and more and more and more companies going under because of "free trade" with china.

[Captain Kwok]

China did recently gain status in the WTO, but there isn't a free trade agreement in place with China and the US.

And do you really think that any TVs are still made in the US?

[Atrocities]

... Free Trade are Sinking American Living Standards. In this interview, he explains how recent international trade agreements -- particularly with China -- have

Trade with China complete story.

Another major source of friction between the U.S. and China has been the fairly frequent American charge that Chinese producers are guilty of dumping -- that is, producing exports and selling them in the U.S. below the price in China, or below what it costs to manufacture and ship abroad.

In recent years, U.S. companies in a variety of industrial sectors have brought trade complaints to the International Trade Commission (ITC), an independent, nonpartisan, quasi-judicial federal agency in Washington that provides trade expertise to both the legislative and executive branches of government, determines the impact of imports on U.S. industries, and directs actions against certain unfair trade practices, such as patent, trademark, and copyright infringement. The American companies have accused Chinese companies of dumping everything from shrimp to household goods like brushes and plastic bags, from tissue paper and bedroom furniture to color television sets.

If you can, watch the Front Line story on this. It is very enlightening and will explain much. Not only is the US market being hurt, but so is the Canadian economy. We are in this together whether we like it or not.

[Strategia_In_Ultima]

Doesn't matter. Your input is valued by me (and many others, I think) to alleviate ptrssure from this thread when it gets too high.

[AMF]

Hey, sorry if I sound harsh, but frankly making controversial and inflammatory political statements, and then dodging any real debate, is emblematic of the entire problem the US faces today. Watch the talking heads on CNN, Fox, or whatever. People just shout their points, and the facts are lost while they scream at each other.

This country's political state is pretty cruddy right now largely because no one actually listens any more, instead we use rhetoric and insults and volume to score points. This approach, whether in a listserv, a public forum, or on the news, is part of the problem.

Don't be part of the problem. Listen, deal in facts, rebut logically, and be willing to change your mind. I am convinced that that is one of the marks of a mature polity and civilization. When we lose the ability to look at and discuss facts then we might as well call an end to the experiment that is Democracy.

With that in mind, I call's them like I sees them. Think globally, act locally, and all that. I'm not just gonna sit by and watch the political process get murdered any more than it already has. And one of the places where I can make this effort is here. So, yes, I will call people out when they are part of the problem. Sorry if it offends, but to do otherwise would be to condone to the slowly murder of the political process. And, yes, I too am guilty of this. We all are. But we are sentient human beings who can change our minds and our behavior.

Thanks,
Alarik

StrategiaInUltima said:
Doesn't matter. Your input is valued by me (and many others, I think) to alleviate ptrssure from this thread when it gets too high.

[Puke]

alarikf said:
Hey, sorry if I sound harsh, but frankly making controversial and inflammatory political statements, and then dodging any real debate, is emblematic of the entire problem the US faces today.

StrategiaInUltima said:
Doesn't matter. Your input is valued by me (and many others, I think) to alleviate ptrssure from this thread when it gets too high.

I think he was refering to Alneyan, who was just being a wisenhiemer, and not really political.

[AMF]

Puke said:I think he was refering to Alneyan, who was just being a wisenhiemer, and not really political.

Doh! I feel stupid. Sorry! Removing foot from mouth now.

Guess I'm wound a bit tight, eh?

heh.

[Alneyan]

Actually, I think this message was aimed at Atrocities: the reply field was Atrocities and not Alneyan, while Atrocities was not the last poster at the time of this message (so it was not a quick reply thing). I feel that the message fits in best with Atrocities as well, mainly because of the "Doesn't matter" part.

But I guess it could have been aimed at myself too. Or perhaps not. Still, I stick with my point that Alarikf should not be allowed to have several minds, among other things.