MP game: Nations at War. Started!

[Jurri]

jeffr said:
I don't know. You've proven, I think, from a competitive standpoint, 95% (or more) of the stuff in Dominions is useless. It really doesn't matter what nation you take as long as the mages are good enough to get you to the few summons and spells that matter.

Oh, I don't think so! At least in my experience games can be won with different means too. Certainly it's important to acknowledge the role SCs and castles and such play in the game, but the way I played this one is not the only way to go. In my opinion, that is; obviously a segment of the players disagree considering the various balance-mods. Which are cool, too, at least you don't get bored trying to think your way out of the same box every time. Now that I think about it, I think this is the first time I've used such a pure-bred SC-strat... Seemed to fit the settings particularly well, that's all.

Maybe all of Zen's mods need to be used together if the intention is to inject a little variety into the game. On that note, maybe you should post your Dracolich strategy in the Zen mod thread. I think they are looking for feedback. As you mention, it seems that the Dracolich is either underpriced or should have his immortality removed (not a good idea, in my opinion) or his protection and/or defense reduced or something. But, maybe not.

I guess I should, but my impression is that there is always someone waiting just to say how much I suck for not seeing the obvious way to counter the strat. That is to say, I'm not wholly impressed of the way the community functions when someone proposes any balance-related arguments. Just check the latest in that self-same thread. The dialect is too much for my tender sensibilities. Yeah, I'm a wuss.

It is fun, though, trying to think of counters. It's called "Yet another game", you say? I'll have to check it out to see if there are any crazy rules or if the map is too big. I played one game on Faerun (sp?) and never again, man.

Yeah:
The link to the thread
Nothing too wonky. Aside from all kinds of diplomacy being banned Old Diplomacy-players recognize the 'gunboat'-variant Gotta be fun... And the roster looks great, too!

[CUnknown]

"So much so that I'm not going to do anything to CU's earth attacks, as it's a good thing if he wastes 20 earth gems a turn to kill my mages."

I was really trying to get to your clam-carriers, I know you've got them! Are hidden scouts unable to be targeted by earth attacks?
I guess they are. Oh well.


"Now that I think about it, I think this is the first time I've used such a pure-bred SC-strat... Seemed to fit the settings particularly well, that's all."

Well...I was really trying to improve the effectiveness of national armies under these settings. I disagree that these settings encourage a castle-and-cast strategy -- you'll be overrun in the early game by someone who built an army! However, no one attacked you in the early game, you had an overpowered god, and you were next to Man (who didn't do much and quit after like 5 turns or something). Actually, you would have been impossible to kill in the early game with your immortal dragon god (what were they thinking???) and 10 dominion.

Under normal circumstances, these settings would encourage having armies, I think.

I am going to turn off the game, unless someone objects?

Congradulations, Jurri!

[jeffr]

Ok, I concede.

Congratulatios, Jurri! And good game to everyone else, as well.

I look forward to the next game

[Alneyan]

Jurri said:
I guess I should, but my impression is that there is always someone waiting just to say how much I suck for not seeing the obvious way to counter the strat. That is to say, I'm not wholly impressed of the way the community functions when someone proposes any balance-related arguments. Just check the latest in that self-same thread. The dialect is too much for my tender sensibilities. Yeah, I'm a wuss.

Alas, I think you should remove the "balance-related arguments" part, and simply put "anything" instead. I must admit I feel as if getting *any* chance is a struggle in itself, even a cosmetic thing like grammar, so balance arguments are even worse. I guess that was what Mose Hansen labelled "the conservatism of the place". Shame.

[YellowCactus]

Good game all!
That one was quick and painless...Oh, wait, I didn't play this one. In any event, it was a fine game. I see Jeff getting a little discouraged about the 'power' spells in Dominions. Well, some spells are obviously POWERFUL compaired to many less effective spells. But like Jurri says, 'There is more than one way to skin an Ulm.'
Recently I witnessed an army (TURN 30) destroy Caelum's Wraithful Skies, Storm, AQ, False Horror strategy. Previously I was leaning to the opinion that Caelum was unstoppable.
Jurri could have well been stopped this game. Understand though that he was Allied with both Ulm and Ermor (while Ulm and Ermor were at war). That's a pretty fine piece of diplomacy. On top of that, Norfleet is the only player I know who could beat Jurri without breaking a sweat. (That's not a compliment to Norfleet).
Party on fools.
-Yc

[Jurri]

Thank you all, 'twas a great game indeed! But you flatter me Cactus , I ain't that tough. What was the army like that stopped the Caelian Catastrophe?

@Alneyan: All too true. I'm sure it's the same with any other hardcore strategy game, though, so I guess it's an inevitable side-effect of intelligent people gathering... Which is too bad, really.

[Boron]

Jurri said:
Thank you all, 'twas a great game indeed! But you flatter me Cactus , I ain't that tough. What was the army like that stopped the Caelian Catastrophe?

He uses a Triplebless for Mictlan . S9F9W9 .
Those Jaguarwarriors are beautiful .

These Scales are only possible because it is a teamgame with 5 two player teams fighting against each other .
But Mictlan could afford a F9W9 bless in a normal game and that would be almost as good .

The jaguars are quite fast and extremely cheap . And Mictlan has holy4 priests for blessing .
1 such jaguar warrior is about as strong as a devil , maybe even a bit stronger .
Imho the jaguar warrior is the best recruitable troop in the game .
True a Van or a White centaur is more powerful but you get 3,5 Jaguars per Van/White centaur .

[GriffinOfBuerrig]

Heyda, my old ally!

Great game! It was really funny

[PashaDawg]

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